The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Classic-Xer]

(08-29-2020, 07:58 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(08-29-2020, 03:17 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: We'll always have some bad apples. You should know that by now. You should also know that blaming all for the action of one is wrong as well.

There are likely more good cops than bad.  In order to have law and order you need good cops.

With the KKK and Neo Nazi you get Antifa.  I like the violence about as much as I like the bad cops.  But how do you make them all go away?

With the Black Lives Matter movement come the Boogaloo Bois.  I am for the first, but against the last.  But you will always have some bad apples?  Do you shrug and accept that?  Or do you demonstrate that the combination of democracy and capitalism can still work.

If you are going to invite in the militia, you will get insane teenagers who commit murder with long arms.  Oh, well.  We'll always have bad apples?  What are a few murders here and there?

The elites don't employ violence.  Instead they buy politicians.  The effect is vaguely the same.  One group gets resources and status over another.  Us and them.

I have noted how humans evolved during the hunter gatherer period.  Violence and oppression of other groups was cost effective.  As a result we have an instinct to divide people into us and them and kill, oppress, and take resources from them.  All of the above can stand as examples.  Every one of them.  Bad cops, the KKK, the Neo Nazi, Antifa, the Boogallo Bois, the Trump loyalists, the elites, all of them.  You divide people and oppress those who are not like you with violence.

I have noted that since the Information Age, somewhere between the invention of machine guns to the creation of nukes, violence became a non cost effective way of solving problems.  Many have come to the conclusion that violence is a last resort, that you exhaust all other means before you fall back on it.  Insurgent proxy wars and nukes will do that.  Machine guns will do that.  Heck, even a sharp knife will do that.

But some people still let their hunter gatherer genes take over.  If you are obsessed enough with violence, you might say good.  There always will be bad apples.  There will always be us and them.  Live with it.  We are a violent species.  Live with it.  If you won't, eat lead.  I am better than you at violence.  Me us, you them.  Eat lead and die.

Fourth Turnings are a time when a few of the greatest problems facing the culture are eliminated.  Kings.  Colonial imperialism.  Slaves.  Dictators.  Now racist violent policing as well as much of systematic prejudice has risen to the top.  COVID has risen to the top.  All of the groups that are enthralled by violence to achieve status, wealth or power have risen near the top.  Global warming has risen at least to the level of campaign promises, but it is a bit early to celebrate that one.

Thus, I am not impressed by an obsessed with violence advocate of the old values.  In a new birth of freedom, violence may become necessary.  With or without violence, it has always been the side favoring equality, democracy, human rights and I may as well include justice that comes up on top.  It will be less necessary to revert to violence in an age where non violence and legislation are the more common way to transform the culture.

I know you are obsessed with violence.  A lot of conservatives that are attracted to S&H are.  The idea that lots of violence comes every four score and seven years attracts people who are close to their hunter gatherer passions.  Like Game of Thrones suggested, it is time to break the wheel.  It is time for this to stop.  It is time for a crisis in some ways more profound than the more violent prior crises.

Not that we are there yet.  There are other unresolved issues, a need for more transformational turnings.  Limiting population may be in the on deck circle.

But this one will be sufficient.

I'm not obsessed with violence but I can see more of it coming and so can most of the country which is why people are arming up. I've heard there's two million more gun owners than there was before all  the violence started. If you want to stick with wishful thinking and continue blaming racism for what we've seen so far it's alright with me but it's most likely not going to help you at the polls in November.