The Partisan Divide on Issues

[pbrower2a]

(08-30-2020, 01:12 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-30-2020, 11:22 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Classic X'er, I have seen copious talk of nebulous violence from you. Americans are becoming less tolerant of racist, religious, homophobic, and domestic violence. Even executions are becoming rarer. (OK, one contributing factor to that is that police have bulletproof vests and get an edge in a shoot-out. Crooks used to pull a gun on a cop while fleeing a lawful arrest and shot the cop in the heart or lungs, killing the cop... but doing so now causes the bullet to bound off the bullet-proof vest and the cop gets a shot at the offender's heart or chest and then empties his revolver upon the dying offender. If the crook tries to shoot the cop in the face, then the cop shoots the perp in the chest before the crook can aim for the unprotected face or head  Technically that is police brutality, but if it is a choice between someone who pulls a gun on a cop dying in an electric chair or being killed in the field, I prefer that the cop survive).

You make it sound as if gun owners are all anti-liberal people set on defending themselves from some left-wing nightmare. You are wrong. Most gun owners are sport hunters, and those are generally well-behaved people. They own expensive, high-powered, highly-accurate rifles. Well-behaved, all right -- unless you are "Bambi" or some game bird. Many of the guns are in possession of gun collectors who are more interested in antique firearms for their beauty than for their fire-power. Sure, an AK-47, and Uzi, or an AR-15 may be beautiful for its firepower, but nothing else, and if a collector has any of those he needs only one. They have their historical roles. Those collectors may have plenty of muskets grossly obsolete as military weapons or criminal arms. It would be easy to fashion gun-control legislation that leaves their deer rifle or their antique collection alone. 

If you are scared of Black Lives Matters -- then at least recognize its narrow purpose of making police forces more responsible in treating African-American suspects right. The right way to deal with an African-American suspect is the same as dealing with a white suspect: overpower the alleged offender, put the offender in lawful custody, and let the legal system do its work. Should the offender have breathing problems, then the suspect goes to the hospital for treatment. Black Lives Matters does not have a purpose of allowing black people to get away with crime for having been deprived in youth or having had ancestors 'oppressed' in slavery or Jim Crow practice. There are good people in the most dreadful ghettos, and black crooks usually victimize such people if they get the chance. Black Lives Matters clearly does not ask for black people to get any 'race card' that gets them out of jail free. I am for law and order (which explains my disdain for drugs, homophobia, and sex crimes), but not for inexcusable manifestations of police brutality. Yes, self-defense, however inexcusable, is as brutal as inexcusable crime that it is intended to thwart. 

If you want to know what the real brutality in the human soul is, then just look to the neo-Nazi and neo-Klan (the distinction between the Klan and neo-Nazis is at most style). We all know what Nazis did, and anyone affecting Nazi symbols and ideology connects himself to confiscations of assets, torture chambers, shooting pits, concentration camps, and fake showers that dispense Zyklon-B. Because Klan groups share the same hatreds as Nazis and have a known proclivity for murderous violence, I can easily imagine Kluxists doing much the same thing. Those who shout "Jews will not replace us!" -- as far as that goes, I wish that Jews really would replace them. (Jews have the decency to recognize Harvey Weinstein, Bernie Madoff, and Jeffrey Epstein as rogues worthy of hatred much as I as a German-American see John Dillinger as a rogue deserving of hatred).

I'm not that scared of Black Lives Matter. I have a teenage daughter and a wife and a sister and family friends and close friends who go places where Black Lives Matter does/ could show up and do what they do or do more and go further than they normally do. which is an obvious concern and considered as bad enough for most people these days. I think its pretty clear that the majority of blacks who support Black Lives Matter don't want any armed cops policing going on in their neighborhoods (which are now expanding in Minneapolis right now) or bothering them and so forth. The black people that you don't see, that we rarely see( a quick snip it of them voicing concerns and discontent) are up in arms. Of coarse, you don't care about them, all you care about are the votes that Black Lives Matter can deliver in November. Are you sure that you aren't a racist? You don't view what's going on in left wing cities as left wing nightmares. I heard a young right winger was killed in Portland last night. I listened to some Democratic desk jockey Democrat giving a lecture and blaming Trump or blaming us as usual without thinking or understanding where we at as far as talking as usual since he's not paid do that as usual.

Black Lives Matter is not pro-crime. White people have nothing to fear from it. I did go to one rally and left scared -- but then only for the paucity of masks. 

Most crime is intra-racial or else does not involve racial distinctions. I would suppose that people in Black Lives Matter would do the obvious if they witnessed a crime: they would call the police. 

A suggestion that I have is community policing -- the old beat system in which police are largely limited to a community in which they get to know the people, good and bad. Cops on such a system would learn which black man driving a Cadillac is a physician and which one is a pimp or pusher.  Cops would generally not be pulled from one beat to another except in emergencies. The cops who know the community can build trust. That is good for dealing with such emergencies as family arguments.