The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Eric the Green]

(08-30-2020, 11:45 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-30-2020, 03:49 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(08-30-2020, 01:12 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-30-2020, 11:22 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Classic X'er, I have seen copious talk of nebulous violence from you. Americans are becoming less tolerant of racist, religious, homophobic, and domestic violence. Even executions are becoming rarer. (OK, one contributing factor to that is that police have bulletproof vests and get an edge in a shoot-out. Crooks used to pull a gun on a cop while fleeing a lawful arrest and shot the cop in the heart or lungs, killing the cop... but doing so now causes the bullet to bound off the bullet-proof vest and the cop gets a shot at the offender's heart or chest and then empties his revolver upon the dying offender. If the crook tries to shoot the cop in the face, then the cop shoots the perp in the chest before the crook can aim for the unprotected face or head  Technically that is police brutality, but if it is a choice between someone who pulls a gun on a cop dying in an electric chair or being killed in the field, I prefer that the cop survive).

You make it sound as if gun owners are all anti-liberal people set on defending themselves from some left-wing nightmare. You are wrong. Most gun owners are sport hunters, and those are generally well-behaved people. They own expensive, high-powered, highly-accurate rifles. Well-behaved, all right -- unless you are "Bambi" or some game bird. Many of the guns are in possession of gun collectors who are more interested in antique firearms for their beauty than for their fire-power. Sure, an AK-47, and Uzi, or an AR-15 may be beautiful for its firepower, but nothing else, and if a collector has any of those he needs only one. They have their historical roles. Those collectors may have plenty of muskets grossly obsolete as military weapons or criminal arms. It would be easy to fashion gun-control legislation that leaves their deer rifle or their antique collection alone. 

If you are scared of Black Lives Matters -- then at least recognize its narrow purpose of making police forces more responsible in treating African-American suspects right. The right way to deal with an African-American suspect is the same as dealing with a white suspect: overpower the alleged offender, put the offender in lawful custody, and let the legal system do its work. Should the offender have breathing problems, then the suspect goes to the hospital for treatment. Black Lives Matters does not have a purpose of allowing black people to get away with crime for having been deprived in youth or having had ancestors 'oppressed' in slavery or Jim Crow practice. There are good people in the most dreadful ghettos, and black crooks usually victimize such people if they get the chance. Black Lives Matters clearly does not ask for black people to get any 'race card' that gets them out of jail free. I am for law and order (which explains my disdain for drugs, homophobia, and sex crimes), but not for inexcusable manifestations of police brutality. Yes, self-defense, however inexcusable, is as brutal as inexcusable crime that it is intended to thwart. 

If you want to know what the real brutality in the human soul is, then just look to the neo-Nazi and neo-Klan (the distinction between the Klan and neo-Nazis is at most style). We all know what Nazis did, and anyone affecting Nazi symbols and ideology connects himself to confiscations of assets, torture chambers, shooting pits, concentration camps, and fake showers that dispense Zyklon-B. Because Klan groups share the same hatreds as Nazis and have a known proclivity for murderous violence, I can easily imagine Kluxists doing much the same thing. Those who shout "Jews will not replace us!" -- as far as that goes, I wish that Jews really would replace them. (Jews have the decency to recognize Harvey Weinstein, Bernie Madoff, and Jeffrey Epstein as rogues worthy of hatred much as I as a German-American see John Dillinger as a rogue deserving of hatred).

I'm not that scared of Black Lives Matter. I have a teenage daughter and a wife and a sister and family friends and close friends who go places where Black Lives Matter does/ could show up and do what they do or do more and go further than they normally do. which is an obvious concern and considered as bad enough for most people these days. I think its pretty clear that the majority of blacks who support Black Lives Matter don't want any armed cops policing going on in their neighborhoods (which are now expanding in Minneapolis right now) or bothering them and so forth. The black people that you don't see, that we rarely see( a quick snip it of them voicing concerns and discontent) are up in arms. Of course, you don't care about them, all you care about are the votes that Black Lives Matter can deliver in November. Are you sure that you aren't a racist? You don't view what's going on in left wing cities as left wing nightmares. I heard a young right winger was killed in Portland last night. I listened to some Democratic desk jockey Democrat giving a lecture and blaming Trump or blaming us as usual without thinking or understanding where we at as far as talking as usual since he's not paid do that as usual.

Riots have happened now and then in our USA history, and in other countries too. There are angry young people, and there are provocateurs and boogaloo boys. There is much to be angry about. Police should not violate our rights and shoot and execute us, and there should be no racial profiling and discrimination and no racial wealth gaps. Young people should be more considerate of business owners and not break their windows or start fires on their property. They should heed Dr. King and be non-violent. Presidents and politicians should not threaten violence and repression of our rights, and they should not gas us for photo ops. Militia men should disband and not train for civil war, and people should not buy guns, and people should not go out and shoot innocent people. But some people misbehave, are violent and commit crimes because we are not perfect yet. 

So we need police, and we need them well trained to keep their cool and not be violent except in self-defense. Many police may have to be fired, and their unions dissolved and immunity removed. Police should come from the community they serve. We need social and mental health workers too and others to do the work that neo-liberal Reaganomics has put only on the police to do, who are not educated to do those jobs. Some funds should be transferred if necessary so that these community workers can be hired. If a community wants to hire more police, that is their decision, if they can afford it and also do the other things to reform the profession and the work.

I don't see why Biden should be blamed for riots in the cities. It is happening on Trump's watch, and he has stoked the racism and the riots. If some white people are convinced that black lives matter, and the movement has moved them to do so, and therefore they vote for Biden, then that is all good. Sure, we want their votes. But that does not mean we don't care about the people: the black and white people getting hurt and killed and rising up, the business owners white and black who have to clean up and restore, police who get killed and/or are scared of guns and are poorly trained and caught up in racism, and so on. 

We care, and that's why we support Democrats too, because Democrats and Progressives and Greens and Socialists and so on have and offer the policies and programs that help the people, while Republicans and Libertarians and Constitution Party members have policies that hurt the people.

An idle Liberal government doing nothing, issuing stand down orders and enabling rioters is new compared to the riots we saw during the 90's. Do you want to start a  war or what? I'm telling you dude, we are directly related to the people who won World War II and your side is messing with a giant that is going to unravel whatever sense of stability that's left on your side and watch as Rome burns. Do you really want to go there because we will go there and there is nothing that Pelosi will be able to do once it starts.

You've been telling me for years that the Liberal policies aren't helping the poor and the high taxation and high costs of living related to them are taking their toll and the state that you live in is more or less a banana republic these days and a play ground for the rich and famous and blaming us because California is like that today.

Police and national guard, and whatever else is needed, is stopping the rioters and they doing what they can. "Democrat-run cities" have always been "Democrat-run cities." Cities are liberal and Democratic, and have been forever. And Pelosi and Biden are not the mayors of all those cities. Your side conflates, exaggerates and lies shamelessly, because guys like you will accept whatever you are served up from them, even though what is being served up to you is shit like this:





Trump is golfing as America burns. And California is burning. My sky is full of smoke and thousands have lost their homes, because your side has imposed climate change upon us, and for no other reason. We had a few blackouts because of our 106-degree heat wave, and that also happened years ago before we had solar energy too. Most of the blackouts were cancelled, but that didn't stop your own purveyors of cancel culture like Kimberly here and Trump himself to exaggerate for effect. The only planned blackout we had here in my place must have been at least 25 years ago.

There is no limit to the damage your side has inflicted, and inflicted even more severely on their own red states. Our costs of living remain high in CA because people are well paid to work here, and because it's such a desirable place to live. I've been telling you THAT forever. We still have some burdens, because of past rule here by Reagan and his kind, but it was CA that offered free education for years, which I benefited from, and which created the wealth in CA that makes the state so expensive today.