The Partisan Divide on Issues

[pbrower2a]

(08-31-2020, 04:16 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-31-2020, 01:37 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(08-31-2020, 12:59 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-31-2020, 10:59 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: The status quo is Donald Trump, a logical consequence of a plutocratic culture  that holds that the common man exists solely to enrich, indulge, and obey the asset-holders and power-wielders. 

PB, there is no hope for you to figure out what you're doing, saying or which side you're actually supporting at this point. Like him or not, Donald Trump represents the values of traditional American culture and the core principles that the United States of America was founded on and you and others are on the plutocratic side that wants the power to dismantle and establish themselves as rulers. You're not thinking clearly because if you were you'd understand that we have an American President, an American government, an American army, an American economy and an American Constitution that we will be defending as we are waging war with what's referred to as the Democratic party and the plutocracy that it represents today. So, get ready and be prepared to accept the consequences for being an imbecile.

There is no hope for you if don’t figure out what you’re doing.  Soldiers of the American Army have had a bounty put on their heads, and Trump hasn’t seen fit to do anything.  The allies which we worked with so long have been alienated.  The American Constitution is built on a system of checks and balances, which Trump has decided to attack and get around.  Trump has made a shambles of the American economy.  You cannot open up without bringing the virus down which he has declined to do.  The American Government which is supposed to serve the people serves Trump.  He calls it the deep state, and prevents functions like the CDC, the intelligence community or the post office from working.  Functions like border control, defending government buildings or guarding prisons are raided to inflame the violence in cities that are supposed to be controlled by Trump’s democratically elected opposition.

I must admit he is for the American president, at least when that president is himself.

Thus, a good number of people with traditional American values oppose Trump vehemently.  They will try to defend what is good in America quite intensely.  As much as you claim to defend America and it’s values, those Americans who live on Earth One, who value truth, who don’t live in the Fox bubble, are as intensely defending all that is American just as intensely as you claim.

At bottom, that may be the biggest thing that we carry out of this crisis.  We cannot let the super rich create a fantasy for their own benefit.  We have to value truth and science, and let those principles guide our politics.  Enough of lies.  The real difference at the moment is not so much that the elites lie at the expense of the working man, but that so many are willing to believe the lies.

According to Trump and several defense officials, there was/is no definitive proof that there's a bounty on our troops. If there is, you can expect to see a high ranking Russian official associated with Russian clandestine operations directly tied to Putin assassinated with a US drone like we've already seen happen in the not so distant past. Are you going to freak out and scold him and call him a murderer and feed or go along with Russian propaganda like the last time? Yep. The American economy is struggling right now with all the COVID19 restrictions and all the mainly Democratic fears related to the overall deadliness of the virus and so forth. You seem to forget that the virus wasn't Trump's fault and you seem to forget the origin of the virus wasn't the United States and seem to forget that there are Liberal elites who have fortunes invested/tied up in the Chinese economy and continued unfettered American related trade with China.

The word of a liar or a fool is itself worthless, which explains why I never accept anything that Donald Trump says at face value. At times I cannot tell whether he is a liar or a fool, but malignant intent and extreme incompetence (including at the most important deed that an adult with adult responsibilities can do, which is to discern  either truth or its closest approximation) have shown, in my experience, to have much the same dire consequences. I doubt that there will be any drone strike by the Trump administration, as there is not enough time for such before the election. Besides, President Trump may need a safe haven should he fear criminal prosecution such as for negligent homicide involving COVID-19. 

That is not a freak-out. That is a cautious assessment. 

I am in no position in which to predict how Joe Biden will deal with Vladimir Putin... things on January 21, 2021 could be so messy that taking revenge against Putin might be a low priority. Mercy may come at a price for Putin... maybe return territory snipped off Ukraine to Ukraine? 

Donald Trump's handling of COVID-19 is a catastrophe on the scale of a bungled war. Through his incompetence, his failed leadership, and his intellectual hollowness he failed to do what would have made America's war with COVID-19 something other than the costly stalemate that has cost so many lives.  If I were President I would treat COVID-19 as a dangerous enemy in the sense that Osama bin Laden was. I would follow the lead, if necessary, of Big Business in shutting down operations to save money as did for-profit sports leagues. If it takes a shutdown of much of the consumer economy for a couple months to keep losses from mounting to dangerous levels... then that is exactly what FDR did in World War II, and for a far longer time -- just as did his good buddy Sir Winston Churchill. If it takes a sacrifice of a free market and consumer indulgence to save hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives... you know, keeping from having signs like this popping up in America or Britain:





FDR made the same choice that Churchill did. It was the right choice. As a German-American I would rather convert to Judaism than be a Nazi scum... I know which way requires far fewer compromises of my moral and cultural values 

Do you get the point? We are in a Crisis, and we need a leader capable of expressing values that transcend time and place in the defense of civilization. Donald Trump has no idea of what civilization is, let alone its value. 

What would I tell people to do rather than indulge in the social, consumer economy in person? Use their computers to connect to great music and literature and to get informed about COVID-19. I would promote messages in WWII-style posters telling people to stay home. It is now past that stage.  Trump wasted the efforts that many state and local governments, businesses, religious bodies, and persons have already done. We may have to start over during the Biden Presidency... except with 180,000 (so far, and counting) deaths. People who have died of COVID-19, unlike those who have died in America's victorious wars to achieve or maintain independence, to emancipate slaves, and to defeat aggression by totalitarian powers, have died for nothing except to demonstrate what a horrible person Donald Trump is.  

How bad is Donald Trump? The best arguments against Donald Trump are conservative and Christian. It is as if a Democratic President had gone so far in destroying a market economy and toying with Marxist rhetoric while developing a cult of personality that genuine liberals would have to align with a conservative, free-market, Bible-believing leader just to ensure that the next chance for a liberal America will be desirable.