(09-02-2020, 02:32 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(09-02-2020, 01:10 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:(09-02-2020, 12:09 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Thanks for proving my point and showing everyone that I'm spot on and understand the Liberal way of thinking these days. All I can do or say at this point, I hope there's enough uppity blacks and uppity whites and uppity people of other races (male, female, male-female, gay and straight) who are living here to financially support you, provide for your defense and provide whatever basic services and so forth because the country is on the verge of splitting and parting ways with them and the bulk of the people (their supporters) like you at the same time as well.
Not really. It's just one ideolog's opinion that we have heard many a time. We are not near succession any more than we are close to all out violence. Yes, a few the right wing factions are fighting each other, but most of America is OK.
Dude, my neighbor (an uppity white Liberal) had a Liberal yard sign delivered to her home that she hasn't displayed because she lives in a Trump neighborhood and she probably knows that the words written on it would either upset or insult the entire neighborhood today. She also knows that the neighborhood are better people than they're portrayed by the media. She also knows that the adults have a much better grasp on life than her as well. The country could split and function as separate country's without succession today. We are on the verge of actually doing that right now. I think you'll find out that most Americans aren't ideologues like you guys these days.
What do you think liberals do when they see a "Trump" sign? Do you think that we give a mock-fascist salute (left for the KKK, right for the Nazis --- that is practically the difference between Kluxists and neo-Nazis now)? Trump supporters can have virtues that have nothing to do with insane and reactionary politics.
The media have no trouble who would go out of the way to replace a flat tire with a spare tire or who hold a bake sale for a band or high-school sports drive. Those journalists who have studied history, political science, or economics as college majors see little precedent for Trump in America but ugly consequences in other countries. I see many of the hallmarks of a dictator or despot in Donald Trump, and they seem as obvious as that if you live in Minnesota you had better have some means for compensating for the long, harsh, dangerous, dreary winters. Example: you need to be paid better than you would in a similarly-urban community in Louisiana just to afford more winter clothes, more heating fuel or electricity to meet the cold, a snow plow, and higher rent because your dwelling must have stronger insulation.
Plenty of supporters of Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, and Saddam Hussein were loving parents who eschewed adultery, stayed sober, paid their bills on time even if such implied great hardship, and were meticulous workers who gave the extra effort to make sure that they did their jobs right and kept production counts up. One can be right on many things and wrong on politics.
Quote:I'm an American who has spent years battling (Braak, buck buck buck) with mainly Liberal ideologues
As a liberal I am just as American as you!
Quote:and showing ideologues what Americans can (are free to) do and showing Americans what they can (are free to) say/do with ideologues and teaching/showing ideologues how small, irrelevant and relatively powerless they truly are compared to most Americans who live in American society today.
And what if the time runs out for the fad of accepting pure plutocracy -- mirror-image Marxism -- runs out? Where does that leave you? If your life gets messed up, perhaps due to a work-related injury having nothing to do with politics or a vehicular injury due to an encounter with "Danny Drunkey", then I expect to have enough decency to not deny you the safety net that you have earned.
Quote: I know that you'll never admit it or accept me knowing it about you but most people can read and understand the difference between the limited views of an ideologue like yourself and others here and the broader and more inclusive views of an American citizen these days.
Obviously I am not Bob, and I cannot speak for him. I can speak for myself; there will be a time in which Americans may need to halt some radical reforms that do more harm than good or fall for some liberal nonsense of the past which reality has recently refuted (such as that crime is a consequence of poverty and familial neglect and not bad character such as sociopathy, psychopathy, or malignant narcissism). It should be obvious that even the worst ghettos hold some admirable people and that a scion of privilege like Donald Trump can be a monster. Sure, as a white person I would be scared to go to certain parts of Detroit because there are people who see any white person as prey because white people are not part of their community (think of seals among sharks)... but let us remember that if we look at Holocaust perpetrators we will find some people with maximal education or all the privilege that comes from being born into the old land-owning aristocracy.
Donald Trump is a horrible person. If you do not know that by now you never will. Worse, when someone like him comes up the next time, probably with a bit more sophistication and political savvy, then you will be delighted and not appalled.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.