The Partisan Divide on Issues

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(09-13-2020, 09:15 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(09-13-2020, 03:57 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I read an article that described people in southern Missouri and their addiction to Trump. It said that people support Trump because they hate liberals and they hate weakness. This reminds me of Classic Xer. I mean, I admire strength and ability too, I'm thinking. But I also admire giving to help others in need. And I recognize that private giving has never been enough; that all people in a just society need to contribute something if they can, and that society needs to make sure all people are included. People in the deep red areas of our country are just focused on their hatred for liberals. They stay misinformed about anything else. They swallow any ideology that supports their hatred. They don't want to give to help those in need when liberals require them to do so. They think everyone should be strong and do for themselves. "Those were the days" when "girls were girls and men were men" and "everybody pulls his weight" as Archie and Edith sang.

I understand. This hatred for liberals they also project onto us, and say they hate us because liberals hate them or put them down. It's not really true. But they are blinded by their own hatred into supporting their guy, no matter how many lies he tells, how much deadly incompetence he shows, and how corrupt, how unjust and destructive, how undemocratic and tyrannical, and how harmful to their own interests he really is. So they have saddled us with the worst possible president, whose only ability is to arouse and entertain people who hate liberals and rally them around him.

So, the polls continue to be uncertain, giving Biden a precarious lead in a country where almost half the people don't give a damn about others because they are blinded by their hatred for liberals.

Five thirty eight polling average Sept.13, 4:42 PM EDT
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pol.../national/

National: Biden +7.3

Arizona Biden +4.7
Colorado Biden +10.5
Florida Biden +2.6
Georgia Trump +1.6
Iowa Trump +1.7
Kansas Trump +9.4
Michigan Biden +7.6
Minnesota Biden +7.7
Missouri Trump +6.6
Montana Trump +8.4
Nevada Biden +5.8
New Hampshire Biden +6.8
North Carolina Biden +1.3
Ohio Trump +1.0
Pennsylvania Biden +5.0
South Carolina Trump +6.8
Texas Trump +1.0
Utah Trump +11.7
Virginia Biden +10.7
Wisconsin Biden +6.5

Swing states above that voted for Hillary and Biden needs to hold: CO, MN, NV, NH, VA
Swing states that voted for Trump where Biden now leads: AZ, FL, MI, NC, PA, WI
Possible swing states that voted for Trump where Trump still leads now: GA, IA, KS, MO, MT, OH, SC, TX, UT

I also observe the following. If the polls shift and Trump wins, this could be the final election in which polls have any meaning, because Trump and the Republicans will see to it that elections are undemocratic, rigged and restricted enough so that enough people always vote for them. They already are rigged for them to an extent.

I've heard that the Democrats are over represented in most of today's polls.

 
At this point the difference between pollsters is their model for the electorate. An electorate like those of 2010, 2014, or 2016 allows Trump to win. An electorate like those of 2006, 2008, 2018, or maybe 2012 takes down Trump and gives the Democrats a majority in the Senate. 


Eric's liberal concern about the survival of the American political heritage that includes rule of law, separation of powers, checks and balances, and free and competitive elections is legitimate.  But that is also becoming a concern among conservatives who have their own trepidation about the despotic tendencies of Donald Trump. The best arguments against re-electing Trump are now often conservative arguments.  

Donald Trump has even created a secret police so secret that it does not yet have a name... but it is all too visible harassing dissidents. I can give it a nickname: the Trump-Trump Macoutes.

A Trump supporter should be mode concerned about the genuine conservatives voting for Joe Biden.