The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Classic-Xer]

(09-18-2020, 12:19 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(09-18-2020, 01:11 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(09-17-2020, 04:42 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: ...I expected him to come up with the obvious retort that farmers grow the crops and that farmers and ranchers raise the livestock in places  outside the sight of the urban skyline, and that people actually work in dairies, slaughterhouses, and food-processing places.  The government role in the Department of Agriculture is often to ensure that people having some tough times are able at the least to get food.  The money spend on food goes right back into the economy through food retailers. 

It's up to us all to  ensure that people are not abused or exploited just because we need something and want it cheap, the cheapness depending upon people being exploited severely. We have gotten away with doing much on the cheap, and if we are to have a good social order we will be unable to do certain things on the cheap.  

So food will cost more -- then raise the allotment for food stamps.

Why would you expect this from me? As a general rule, I don't waste time teaching people who should be educated enough know better by now. I tend to write them off and  leave them to their own fate.

Because we have gotten accustomed to higher costs appropriate for such concerns as the environment and public safety. In cars, we have all sorts of improvements from collapsible steering wheels to seat belts to airbags to padded dashboards to make cars safer in crashes. We mandate safety seats for infants and other small children. (If I ever get another dog I will have a safety seat for it so that it does not hit its head onto the dashboard as it did when I made a panic stop to avoid hitting some children. Poor doggie, and that dear little doggie was never quite the same after that). We have catalytic converters (added cost) and in the 1970s and later those precluded what was then leaded gasoline... well, getting rid of the leaded gasoline has had some very positive effects, such as vastly improving learning abilities and impulse control (both of which environmental lead can wreck) in the "tenderloin" districts of some cities. You know how that went: the closer that one got to the core cities where the jobs are, the heavier the lead concentration was, and the more that kids were exposed to lead, the more likely they were to fail in school and become the dangerous criminals that used to be a legitimate fear as late as the early 1990's.

Would you approve of slavery if that made the material in your clothes cheaper? As late as 1860 (the blockade of the secessionist states)  slavery did that. That is over. People suffering to make things easier or cheaper for others is a bad cause. Making some slight sacrifices for the dignity of others is a worthy way. 

OK -- here is something that to which many conservatives might relate. The suicide rate among participants in the pornography industry is very high. To be sure, lots of troubled people enter it. Do you buy the stuff? 

The life expectancy of even a Playboy Playmate of the Month ™ is decidedly below the national average for adult women. And, yes, Playboy is rather genteel smut, the late Hugh Hefner introducing men to the concept, if not reality, of pornography without guilt. That is the most genteel porn, as opposed to the hard-core stuff such as depictions of gang-rapes (ask the conservative Warren Dew about that).

A pattern that I found is that an unusually-high number of former Playmates have turned completely away from the fake glitter of porn, even turning to Born Again Christianity as a full repudiation of it. Those are not so troubled, statistically, as the others. Maybe there are some 'successful' ones who  go on to finding legitimate talents or become trophy wives of rich husbands (the latter not a feminist model, but whatever it takes to save oneself from a life of despair is worth it, and giving up bad habits such as drugs and alcoholism is worth the cost. 

Question, Classic X'er -- do you buy porn? It is not simply an economic transaction when participants are hurt.

Who buys porn today? Porn is mainly free today.