The Partisan Divide on Issues

[pbrower2a]

(09-19-2020, 03:06 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(09-18-2020, 07:28 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(09-18-2020, 02:07 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: We need to defeat Trump and the Republicans so badly that they are sent home to reconsider their ideas and ideology. We need to defeat them from now on, and so badly that Democrats no longer feel compelled to compromise with them and defer to their power.

Most significantly, the worst of our Boomer Generations, the ones who have the vices (ruthlessness, selfishness, and arrogance) without two of the virtues (education, principle)... I am satisfied that Trump is decisive, but he is decisively wrong...  are cast out of real power. The worst Boomers act like reincarnations of old feudal lords, people who believe that the common man exists solely for the power, indulgence, and gain  of those on the economic apex.  I look at Howe and Strauss theory and recognize the usual bond between elder Idealist and younger Civic is one between austere credibility by the Idealist generation and selfless efforts to improve the overall world for its own sake. Optimally the Idealist Generation accepts that in return for giving up- on glitz and 'luxury' it shows what it can do in reshaping a world that will outlast that generation. Donald Trump fails to fit that bill. 

Ideally we Boomers want a safer, saner, and more just world as our legacy. We have yet to bequeath that. But it is important. Some of us still have as many as three decades more to live, and a dangerous, crazy, brutal world has never been a good one for the elderly. To get that safer and saner, let alone more just world, many of us will need to downsize -- at the least to make life comprehensible.

I'm sorry but the Left Wing boomers are the worst of the Boomer Generation.

The left-wing Boomers did not become the stars of the MBA economy. The right-wing Boomers were, aside from the Vietnam veterans who usually got the shaft in our economic system, the people who accepted that workers of any kind were objects to be manipulated, to be drawn and discarded to fit  economic needs and make a political point, and to be paid well for treating subordinates badly. The right-wing Boomers saw workers as proles whose economic interests mattered little. Those right-wing Boomers of the MBA type sold out everything human in the name of "luxury". Division of the world into an elite and a proletariat while thinning the old middle class makes an ugly social order.   

Quote:Selfless effort for it's own sake sounds pretty selfish to me.

Anyone who sees the cultivation and satisfaction of lusts and appetites of oneself is the antithesis of "selfless".

Howe and Strauss see GI's as models of selflessness in working within the system instead of rebelling when the economy was in the toilet and showed no certainty of pulling out of it -- when people thought of the late 1920's as the Golden Age that could never be attained again. Selflessness is starting a small business despite others around one similarly broke with no assurances of enough to feed one's family. Selflessness implied that people with lucrative film careers and sports careers went into the Armed Services for a pittance. Selflessness is charging machine-gun emplacements. Selflessness is that when military chaplains come up one short of a life vest they do without and drown as their ship sinks. Selflessness is throwing oneself on a live hand grenade so that your soon-to-be dead body takes the bulk of the force while your buddies survive.    

Quote:(insult deleted) You don't think Trump has given up his lavish lifestyle to save an American class that was being shredded by one sided trade deals and stiff environmental regulations and restrictions and high taxation and greedy union people who couldn't grasp the idea that the unions representing them weren't the companies paying their wages or grasp the fact that the country they were living in wasn't the same as the Communist/Marxist believing countries.

I thought I wrote long sentences! Let me try to parse yours. 

Donald Trump still has a lavish lifestyle because of the perquisites of his position. Those trade deals are made on the assumption that China does the manufacturing* while Chinese workers end up eating food made from the products of American agriculture. As for union people being greedy -- greed is one of two ways to get people to take awful jobs (that those jobs get paid better than average) as in mining, logging, or assembly-li8ne work... or people are directed to do those jobs at the behest of some bureaucrat who denies other choices. Environmental regulations have kept some thoroughly noxious stuff such as dioxin, cadmium, and mercury out of your system. If one does machine-paced work, then collective bargaining (the economic justification for a union) is all that keeps employers from exploiting the weaknesses that workers have in bargaining for their wages. I have frequently heard executives say that they prefer to deal with employees individually in negotiating wages. Yes -- so that they can drive wages into abject poverty and enrich themselves with lavish bonuses. 

Quote: Here's the deal, if boomers like you want a safer, saner and more just world then stop posting and stop participating in Left Wing fear campaigns and stop embracing and promoting the value of victim hood because all your doing is contributing to an obvious problem that will most likely be dealt with harshly like it was in the past.

At this point, Boomers are typically no longer doing factory work. Boomers, if working, are mostly supplementing their Social Security benefits. The bulk of the paid workforce is now in the Thirteenth and Millennial generations. They want to be paid well so that their children do not endure poverty in a society that lavishes elites and punishes the poor. In the end, poverty for working people is child abuse.  

*Note that during the 1960's and 1970's, smart Boomers were being told that whatever they do, avoid working in manufacturing. The future was in the professions  in which the pay would be good and the work not so monotonous. I remember seeing much material that told me that semi-skilled workers hated their repetitive jobs on an assembly line even if they were paid well, and that there would be lots of layoffs... and that many of the careers in manufacturing would end before retirement age due to workplace injuries.  

Manufacturing ended up with the dumbest workers, and such resulted in poor quality from assembly likes and a lack of people smart enough to figure out what to do when quality deteriorated.