The Partisan Divide on Issues

[pbrower2a]

(12-20-2020, 05:03 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-19-2020, 08:53 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Losing your right to vote? What really matters is meaningful choice. North Koreans have a right to vote, but obviously no choice. Theoretically you can vote for someone other than the candidates selected by the Korean Workers' Party (which is a Communist Party), but if you try you will be identified for harassment and worse by the secret police. 

I say this because Donald Trump has sought to invalidate an election so that it shows that he won. That might not be as horrible as how it is done in North Korea. Making a choice of the opposition invalid is also a denial of the meaning of a free election. Leaders simply entrench themselves. You may like that now, but what happens if your values change? What if America gets into a big mess and can't get out of it because the rigid leadership  that has entrenched itself will not allow any adjustment?

It is my assumption that my disdain for President Trump is as strong as the disdain that most Trump voters had for Hillary Clinton and now Joe Biden. That political polarization has gotten that bad is itself a problem. We have gone through all but the last month of the Trump Administration, and such misgivings as I have had of him as a person and on his political style while he campaigned for the Presidency in 2016 have proved valid. If there is any mitigation, it is that his lasting effect as President will be to have installed three Justices of the Supreme Court that some right-wing political cult approved of. Those three can practically ensure that the values of that cult be enshrined for a very long time. Basically, he who has the gold makes the rules.

At the worst, should Joe Biden deteriorate so that he should become barely presentable, then the people around him  -- mostly good people, by the way -- will squeeze him into a strictly ceremonial role. That's how it was done with Reagan.  It is probably best that Reagan's handlers concealed intimate details of his mental decline, if only for reasons of national security.

Dude, I watched for months as a bunch of Democratic cronies/hacks/partisan judges/courts ignored existing l
aws and proceeded to interpret the intent of an illegal vote.

Accommodations were made to ensure that more people could vote absentee due to concerns about COVID-19. Many things that people have done have put them at risk of COVID-19. Mercifully people could vote safely, even if they could not safely attend political rallies, attend sporting events or concerts, go to the theater (live or cinema) get drunk in bars, attend certain church services, or attend school.

In general measures that allow more people to vote honestly have the support of the courts. The courts also accept measures intended to prevent any tampering with the votes. Such includes control of access to voting machines and materials. Measures are on par with accounting controls in Big Business... and both Parties have endorsed such. 

The 2020 election looks much like the 2016 election except that it reflects one predictable change: the replacement of voters from 2016 no longer voting due to death and debility with voters under 40 who are much more D than those who no longer vote. Such would have been good for a shift of something like 1.6% of the electorate from Trump to Biden. That and nothing else would have moved Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Florida to Biden. OK, Biden did not win Florida.. but he won Arizona, Georgia, and the Second Congressional District of Nebraska instead, so that is a wash.   

Quote:What Trump is doing now, ain't nearly as bad as what the Democratic party put the entire country through back then. I've been opposed to the Democratic party ever since then.  Trump isn't going to give Biden and the Washington swamp that Biden now represents the satisfaction of a concession.

President Joe Biden will not need a concession from President Trump to become President. Becoming President depends upon winning the Electoral College, which Biden did fair and square. 

Quote:He's going to resign and leaves the keys hanging on the door. In about a month, Trump will be free to do as he pleases because he already has the power to split the country/government right now. The GOP (the 15% that more or less helped Biden win) is more or less dead politically.

So what did President Trump do to engender their distrust? Try to blackmail the leader of a foreign country? Acquiesce with racist thugs such as the Proud Boys? 



6MWE, one source told me, means "Six Million Weren't Enough". I checked it against Snopes... and that is exactly what that acronym means. "Six million" is the conventional estimate of persons that the Nazis killed for their Jewish religion or origin. I wouldn't be caught dead with that.    

Bungle the response to COVID-19? Arrange things so that money goes to Trump properties or associates? Be connected to mobsters? The stunt in which he had protesters attacked with tear gas so that he could hold up a Bible (which he neither reads nor heeds!) as an ostentatious display of false piety? Or the worst... encouraging people to intimidate and attack people protesting him and his policies?

If we Democrats did any of this you would be right to be aghast. So would I. No electoral result merits the compromise of due process of the law or any assault on Constitutional norms.   

Quote:As I mentioned before, oil and water don't mix. I'm one, you're the other and that's the way it's going to be from here on. In my opinion, we are moving towards a natural split along several lines (race, creed, religion, class, philosophy and economics). How many years have I been saying that you're digging your own graves and telling you to start paying more attention to those on your own and what you and them are GUILTY of saying about other people? Do you deserve sympathy, help or mercy at this point?

I have no idea of how long I have left to live. Ordinarily it is the center-left that gives the harshest rebuke to the extreme Left (typically that has been Commies) and the center-right that gives the harshest rebuke to the extreme Right (fascists) to ensure that people who hold the rule of law, Constitutional norms, and legal precedent in contempt have no home in America -- or any other viable democracy.

America has little Far Left of consequence, and that Far Left itself splinters on alleged fine points of Marxist doctrine. The Far Right gladly adopts symbols, memes, and rituals associated with terror, oppression, and even genocide. Think about it: if you knew some troubled kid who said that he wanted to be another John Dillinger, wouldn't you try to stop such?