The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Classic-Xer]

(01-01-2021, 10:09 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(12-31-2020, 10:13 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-31-2020, 12:40 PM)David Horn Wrote: ...  It was Saint Ronnie who started deficit spending in good times, and cutting taxes to guarantee it would stay that way.  

You're welcome to your opinion, but you don't get your own facts.

You don't get your own facts either. So, who passed the Great Society and signed it into law while he was waging a needless war of attrition in South Vietnam that he had no intentions of winning?

You obviously didn't live in those times.  The Great Society was first honest attempt at dragging people out of poverty and guaranteeing their civil rights. Prior to that, things were a hell of a lot worse for anyone not well situated.  All those first generation college students from families too poor to attend on their own (which was most of us) created the wealth that's fueled the nation and much of the world ever since.

You're right about Vietnam, though. It was a clusterfuck from day one.

C-Xer Wrote:There's the splitting point dude and the beginning of the national split that occurred before Reagan entered office. What Reagan did was necessary to bring an end to the Soviet Union and the Cold War years.

Horse shit!  the Soviet Union was already imploding, and Reagan merely got the opportunity to be there for the funeral.  On the other hand, he started all the internal wars in Central America (see Oliver North) that produced the onslaught of refugees and, not surprising at all, MS-13 -- a street gang started by El Salvadorian teens in LA.

C-Xer Wrote:Show me a worthless Democrat in office who hasn't capitalized off the natural split that occurred during the 60's? So, who is going to win the war that's coming with the Left? Keep in mind, the American right won't have its hands legally bound during the war that's coming with today's Left and the Leftists race or gender won't be viewed as a factor that seems cause one to pause these days either.

This sounds a lot like a race war. Don't assume you can win this time.  If it happens, it will be the end of the USA as we've know it: no winners!

C-Xer Wrote:So, what's Saint Joe going to do other than nod his head and go along with the rich who prefer to gamble and do business with American tax dollars who bought him his place in what's left of our American history together? So, how much government does a smaller American nation with a large population of self reliant people (low cost/low maintenance/ high yield) who are more or less equals in each others eyes who fully identify with the term American and believe in the American way really need to have these days?

The assumption that Biden will do more of what Republicans have been doing for a century and a half is based on nothing so much as the paranoid phantasies of a lot of RW nut jobs.  Don't buy in unless you have evidence that something is happening. On the other hand, the wealthy élite are already hard at work trying to stretch-out their winning streak.  If Biden buys-in, I'll be the first to dump him for someone more willing to take them to task. On the other hand, your libertarian phantasy of a wide-open world with everyone treating everyone as equals is unachievable.  To work, people have to be ethical, and there will always be enough unethical greed-heads to make that model into a criminal anarchy (watch Gangs of New York for a quick overview of a society built on that premise.

When government is small enough to drown in a bath tub, per Grover Norquist, its place will be taken by afar less friendly power block focused on their own gain, not yours.

There will be a winner and loser like every other conflict. So, where do you think that conflict is going to take place? Keep in mind, we are Americans who believe in wreaking havoc where the enemy resides. I'm sorry but New York city, Portland, Richmond, LA, Minneapolis, Chicago or Washington DC are no longer associated with home so to speak. Ain't going to take much extra to feed the racism that your side has been feeding teaching and supporting for decades and it won't take much to convince your neighbors and whatever friends that its time to cut all ties with people like you altogether.