The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Bob Butler 54]

(01-14-2021, 11:03 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(01-13-2021, 08:04 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Once again, if you weren't so into tribal thinking and associated with a tribe and guilty of thinking in terms of us and them and being divisive, you'd have some integrity/credibility to fall back on at this point. The WEIRD might (I say might) care about values such as democracy, equality, human rights and the rule of law as they pertain to themselves and their tribe. Are the WEIRD in trouble for ignoring existing laws that equally pertain to them and crossing American boundaries that rational/sane people would never cross and placing themselves at risk being stripped of all protections right now? As I mentioned before, I'm not a member of the GOP tribe. I'm a member of the American tribe that's well over 5 times their size that tends to support them these days.

C-Xer, you seem to be determined to be obtuse.  You write about real America and the like, but never show how you arrive at your numbers. At the moment, roughly 40% of the US still believes in the irrational world created by RW media and coopted by DJT.  Note: believing something doesn't make it so.  Existing outside the truth-paradigm, preferring one created for you, doesn't produce anything but strife.  Taking one obvious point: Trump lost the election, and no mental trick can change that.  And the insurrection at the Capitol was just that.  It wasn't a righteous uprising of patriots.  Wishing other wise won't change facts.

I will second Dave's post, above.  I will add that Trump's big lies generally have an expiration date.  They found an old archived newspaper with Obama's birth announcement and a hospital where he was born.  It is clear that the wall isn't going to be built, let alone Mexico paying for it.

The relevant one here is that there was massive voting fraud in the 2020 election.  Biden and many others routinely deny it, but many red either don't believe it or pretend.  I would think the impeachment would be a wonderful time to emphasize that the claim is a lie.  It is not presented in court as lying to a judge will get you disbarred.  The fact that Trump's lawyers do not repeat the claim in court is telling.  Fox disavowed reporting on the lie as soon as a defamation lawsuit was hinted at.

I have a really hard time giving the lie at this point any staying power.

The coastal press recently reported on this point, an interview with a very red person attending a 'Stop the Steal' rally in Texas.  He claimed that if what Trump has been saying is a lie, he will likely never vote again.  That he has considered it is telling that he knows in his heart this was another Trump lie.