The Partisan Divide on Issues

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(01-16-2021, 01:11 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: [quote pid='73458' dateline='1610764215']

Quote:Biden becomes President in less than a week. The election is over and the final score was 81-74. Bob even admits the obvious law changes that were illegal could hurt Biden. So, what would the removal of all the illegal votes for Biden do to the final score. Would it even it up quite a bit or tilt in favor of Trump? As a general rule, time reveals evidence and truth? Biden looks, acts and sounds like a seventy year old man with dementia before Alzheimer's kicks in. I've already seen how Biden is going to govern. He's going to govern as more of a Progressive than a centrist Democrat. He has to in order to maintain peace within the party/cities. May as well, he has a fascist system already ready in place with corporations who are already operating above the law protecting and persecuting/intimating lawyers/threats and eliminating the possibility of political dissent right now. As far as I'm concerned, I'm speaking to a supporter of fascism right now. BTW, I'm not surprised by it either. I've been warning you about the Democratic party and telling you keep your eyes on them for years but you weren't listening or paying attention and more focused on promoting and spreading Left Wing propaganda as usual.

 

(1 - on electoral fraud deciding the election) The changes made in electoral law this year were made to counteract the effects of COVID-19 upon voting. People have the right to vote in safety, and as a general rule, changes in electoral practice that facilitate the voting of more persons eligible to vote pass Constitutional muster. Measures intended to prevent votes cast or accepted in error or fraud (and error is more common than fraud)  also pass Constitutional muster. That other states (Oregon for several years and Utah last year) can go all-mail or nearly-all-mail demonstrate that such is permissible in other states. States have the obligation to make voting safe for voters, and COVID-19 is about as much a menace as would be a Klan group in robes that displays a sign that says "N----, vote here and die! - KKK". The local police would tell such a group to either go home on their own or take a ride in a squad car to the county lock-up and risk federal and state criminal charges.  Well, COVID-19 is far more dangerous than the Klan ever was. It is impossible to fit handcuffs on COVID-19. 

Should those changes remain -- and they will remain in many states that approved them -- then they will remain valid. The biggest agent of electoral fraud in 2020 was COVID-19!

Electoral fraud and electoral errors were nowhere close enough to decide  the Presidential election in any state that went for Biden. The recounts, some mandated by law, were done, and they gave similar results. You may have trouble with people voting with similar names (as there would be large numbers of voters with similar names in Georgia -- black or Anglo-Saxon, and Arizona, as there is far less variety among Spanish surnames)... but the system can adjust to that. 

(2- on mental and physical decline associated with Joe Biden and old age) -- all people over sixty are at risk of severe decline in physical and mental health. To be sure, people in their eighties can still be very sharp, especially if they keep physically and mentally active. One big difference between the Lost and GI generations is longevity, which may reflect several factors. I will concede that the Lost were likely the heaviest smokers in American history, and that may have kept them as a group less likely to reach old age. Lung cancer and premature heart disease killed lots of them. Note also that the Lost were more likely to be relegated to nursing homes early when such was relatively inexpensive, and the Lost were inconvenient for a country whose middle-class families were on the move. "Granny" was often unwilling to make the move from Springfield, Massachusetts to Springfield, Illinois (not that either is particularly attractive today) or could not adapt easily to suburban life, and "Grandpa" might not fit in among 'hip' people trying to find themselves with exotic religions and with hallucinogens. 

The GI's refused as long as was possible any incarceration in any "Home for the Golden Years" (Orwellian doubletalk at its worst -- yes, there actually is a chain of nursing homes by that name). They remained attentive to current events, they worked crossword and jigsaw puzzles, they read, and they got exercise. They discovered that time spent on physical fitness (even if it was "only" walking the family dog) gave people more time and wasn't so dreadful. Sure, George Romney (father of Mitt, and former Governor of Michigan) died of heart failure on a treadmill... at age 89. That's far better, I suppose, then dying of heart failure in a nursing home at age 72. The Silent have followed the GI pattern of staying physically and mentally active into old age, and Boomers seem to be following that trend. 

The 2020 election was a choice between two old men. Donald Trump looks like death warmed over, and Joe Biden shows his age. Four years of difference in age does not mean that much when bad habits age one faster. I would promote President Trump's eating habits... to lifers in prison. Other than that one had a choice of character, and Donald Trump has behavior troublesome at any age. If you have a daughter, do you want some street thug grabbing her by her "kitty-cats" without her consent? Add to this, Trump has no intellectual curiosity; he is a religious and ethnic bigot. He disparages science. He has poor moral and intellectual discretion, and I would not hire someone like that for any position that isn't so mechanistic in operation that someone else exercises discretion. Most often such a person is best suited to a sheltered workshop to prevent exploitation of the person's poor judgment.  President of the United States? The worst position possible for someone like that.   

Let's put it this way -- Trump would have never made it through Officer Candidates' School.

(3 -- 'centrist' versus 'progressive' Democrat?) Get used to it: the Millennial Generation is just getting its start in high-level politics. It took until the first Millennials turned 39 for the first US Senator from the Millennial Generation was elected... and if I am handicapping the Presidential election of 2032 I give a high chance of election to Jon Ossoff (D-GA). He is only the first, and there will be more... far more. The Millennial Generation doesn't believe the neoliberal offer that being overworked and underpaid is simply a delightful vacation from hunger and homelessness that most of us deserve. It is too rational to accept the pseudoscience and superstition that goes with the contemporary Right.

Forty years of mostly reactionary politics and economic doctrine that serve only those already rich and powerful and their progeny or cronies has served the rest of America (including the people that you consider "American" as opposed to my broader view of what constitutes being American) badly. Neoliberal ideology is basically mirror-image Marxism that differs from orthodox Marxism only in endorsing the traits of capitalist plutocracy that orthodox Marxists excoriate. If you want to save capitalism, then make sure that it does not resemble a Marxist stereotype of rapacious plutocrats who compel proles to work to exhaustion for near-starvation pay and slum housing.

(4 --  on fascism: you describe Donald Trump and the Tea Party (Donald Trump is the Presidential expression of the Tea Party) very well. This ideology is harmful to children and other living things, to use a 1960's phrase. The prosperity that it creates for a few requires mass poverty as a norm for all not among the rich-and-powerful and not simply as a punishment for laziness, improvidence, and incompetence. (Some people really deserve poverty, but capitalism works best when the common man has a stake in the system). "Liberal fascism" is about as much an oxymoron as "trustworthy sociopath" or "sane lunatic". 

Need I go into the details on how humanistic liberalism is the diametric opposite of fascism? All men are brothers, says the liberal; the fascist clearly believes that some peoples are born to dominate and exploit other people for their own good. Liberals, social democrats. and many conservatives have excellent records on human rights; fascists have a record of repression, cruelty, and mass murder rivaling Commies and mad despots. Liberals see peace as a consequence of human brotherhood and rule of law, and fascists see peace only as a consequence of complete subjection of others after extermination of those who resist. Liberals are internationalists and fascists are ultra-nationalists... indeed the definitive expression of tribal thinking.  Fascism sees religion solely as a tool of identity or subordination while liberals see religion as a means (if one so chooses) of discovery and self-improvement. Fascists use Newspeak. Need I go on?

(5 -- on the Democratic Party)... it is the Republican Party that has abandoned most of its old heritage of sponsoring liberty. The current Republican party has accepted a wannabe dictator. Much of it has yet to realize the harm that Donald Trump has wrought upon America. Upon itself? I am satisfied that the GOP will purge itself of its cranks, hucksters, and totalitarians or it will go into oblivion. Such will be a sad end to the Party of Lincoln. Conservatism will recover as an antithesis of left-wing radicalism, and incompetence or corruption of liberal politicians. Forty to fifty years from now the Skowronek cycle that begins when Biden supplants Trump will find that the measures that Biden and his successors take will become increasingly ineffective and even counterproductive.   
          

Quote:So, how much of the United States do you want to find yourself fighting against within next four years? We might even give 10 more congressional seats to further feed false impressions for Progressives to misread and further act upon. Keep in mind, we aren't nearly as emotionally driven as the Left.  In four years, Washington DC will be on the brink of bankruptcy (the speculative boom your not seeing either). America will be primed to break with tradition declare its independence from the Democratic party and separate from blue states that will be failing miserably by then. Also, there will be a very clear distinction between the Tea Party/Trump party and the Democratic party by then as well. May as well, America did before in 1776 with the British and America can do it again 2024 with the Democrats. We can't play games with China and fully rely on diplomacy like Biden plans. If someone is going to be immigrating else where, the someone is going to be you not me. I don't see any other way out of the situation we are in as a nation now. As I've mentioned several times, oil and water doesn't mix and when relationships are no longer productive then its time to part ways. You're a fair weather American fan at best.

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So it is onward and upward through some high-tech feudalism that resembles something out of a Flash Gordon serial of the 1930's? That's where we were headed, and it didn't look so great in the 1930's and it doesn't feel good now. What could possibly be wrong with a high-tech version of feudalism? Oh, maybe fascism is much like feudalism in its brutality, inequality, deceit, and repression!