The Partisan Divide on Issues

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(01-19-2021, 03:52 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-17-2021, 02:38 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(01-17-2021, 05:41 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-16-2021, 09:13 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(01-15-2021, 04:32 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The group that stormed the capitol was a mixed group of individuals who got involved for various reasons. Law enforcement is in the process of apprehending them and figuring all of that out right now. I accepted Biden was going to be the next President a long time ago. I'll never give him credit for winning fair and square. I don't believe he truly  earned it or really deserves to be the President  either. I think his election is going to turn out to be a major mistake/blunder since  it occurred at the wrong time in history. A pivotal time is not the time to elect an old man with dementia or a token VP or a bunch of arrogant morons who have been protected by a system with double standards for years. As I've said, I'm not much of a wishful thinker or one who clings to false hopes or laurels associated with bygone eras.   I don't believe what occurred with election laws in some key battle ground states was legal. If 40% equates to 70 some million Americans who ain't going to budge or concede then your in trouble when the the shit hits the fan and  it starts to really  heat up. AS I mentioned, social justice is a double edged sword that cuts both ways. I've also mentioned that the left  is playing with fire and walking on thin ice and waking a  sleeping giant.

Here's the rub.  Much of what you sense has a real basis, but the underlying "facts" are so dramatically different that your adding 1+1 and my adding the same two numbers leads to very different sums.  Is there are a real underlying "conspiracy" to advantage some at the expense of others?   Yes there is, but we see very different villains because we have very different "facts" as evidence. Your 40% is caught in an information bubble that is structured to get a desired result by the people who control it, and the cracks are beginning to show.  If there was widespread cheating, where is the evidence?  The physical ballots matched the electronic count, and the number of votes cast. Republican gained seats in the House in the very areas they claim were "stolen"?  Why would that happen?  IF stealing's the game, then steal both!

Biden may not succeed as POTUS, but Trump has been an unmitigated failure.  We'll see how that plays.  Meanwhile, you might do well to get a copy of Kurt Anderson's book Evil Geniuses, and try to square your beliefs with his well researched facts.

So, who taught you math? I went to a school that taught me one plus one equals two.  How bout you? Does one plus one equal two to you too? We aren't on the same page or reading the same book these days. Who did the votes come from? Did the name on the ballots match the voter? Do we have the resources to verify the identity of every vote that was made or do we rely on voting officials to verify the identity of the voter before voting? How many unregistered or unidentified voters voted for Trump or Biden? I'm sorry dude, the last election was a major cluster fuck that will most likely end up dividing this country forever. I think its very clear that the Democrats can no longer be trusted and its time to cut bait and leave the to fuck each other forever and move on without them. You might get four years but I doubt it. I'm done with the Democrats altogether. I could care less about what's left of the GOP establishment. As far as I'm concerned, they can remain attached to Biden and go down with Biden and the Democrats.

So what do you see in the Trump Party?  What's the big attraction?  What's in it for you and yours?  I'll be honest, neither of the major parties has laurel wreaths to show for their efforts, but, for my money, Trump is so much worse that he's in a universe of his own.

The way I see it, one party stands for core American values and beliefs and centers more on national issues while the other mainly stands for itself, whatever it presumes to be the most popular among its groups and whatever it determines is most needed for it to win or survive at a particular time. Is Trump worse than Bumbling Biden and his token VP/princess? I don't think so myself. I think Trump was better for America than both of them put together myself. I think the Left Wing media pulled off a major stunt by taking advantage of whatever trust was left in the Democratic at a vulnerable time in American history like it did leading up to Obama's election and a lot of them are going end up dead and broke because of it this time around myself. I don't care if some American someplace does whatever it takes to get rid of some oligarch who seems to think/believe he/she is more rich and powerful than the American government and the American people. Dude, I'm one of millions of customers or one of millions of hardcore Americans who could start knocking down Verizon towers or start terminating contracts pertaining to land use and destabilize and bankrupt them tomorrow. It would only take the assassination of one rich and powerful oligarch who is broadly viewed as being above the law and the  destruction of a major corporation or two broadly viewed as being the same  by America to prompt a massive withdrawal and tank NASDAQ again. I see the extension of American growth and opportunity and freedom with the Trump party. I see a controlled system based on preference, the elimination of the three mentioned and a prolonging of the death with Biden's/Cheney's party. The Trump party represents American progress and what America has been about throughout the ages since its conception. The Democrats are the clingers like the Democrats have always been throughout the history of the party.

There is no single American Way of Life, and there has not been one since English settlers appeared in Virginia and Massachusetts. There has been no single American Way of Life since the quasi-aristocrats brought slaves over to do the hard, dirty farm labor that "gentlemen" do not do and compelled those slaves to adopt models of behavior characteristic of English peasants who were not going to leave hearth and home for a dangerous New World. There has been no single American Way of Life since the British took over the Dutch colony that itself was not even majority-Dutch) in New Netherland that then includes New York City and the Hudson Valley (including New Jersey suburbs -- or Delaware, which the Swedes settled only to turn over to the Dutch before the Dutch sold out.  There has been no single American Way of Life since the Quakers of southeastern Pennsylvania invited German-speaking Mennonites and Moravian Brethren to their lands because the Quakers more trusted them than they trusted other Christians to fit Quaker norms of piety.   There has been no single American Way of Life since the new United States received lands between the Appalachians and the Mississippi, wherein French fur-dealers who often had First People's wives and mixed-race children were. There has been no single American Way of Life since Jefferson purchased New Orleans (about as multicultural a community as any). There has been no single American Way of Life since America annexed large territories from Spain, including Florida, in 1819 (Saint Augustine, Florida is the oldest European-established city in the USA), annexed Texas (which was a financial mess), and then acquired much of what is the southwestern quadrant of the United States from Mexico (all of what are now Colorado,  Utah, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico (some of which had been connected to Texas) and most of what is now Colorado. All of this territory is now culturally more Mexican (due to immigration)  than it was when it was under Mexican rule. There has been no single American Way of Life since a huge number of Irish Catholics fled famine in Ireland. There has never been a single American Way of Life since large numbers of people immigrated to America from Southern and Eastern Europe, including a large number of non-Christians (Jews) who have had a great influence upon American mass and high culture, and Italian-Americans who brought some innovative cuisine for many Americans? And don't let me get started on Asian-Americans. 

Let me tell you what was un-American, though. The insurrection on January 6 was a grave menace to our Constitutional government, domestic tranquility, rule of law, and due process of the law. There have been plenty of ways in which to effect redress of grievances from racial inequity to child labor to economic distress to women's rights  to labor-management relations to homophobia. All of those except racial inequity (the part that included slavery) were solved through political process and generally non-violent means, with the violent actors thrown to the curb.