The Partisan Divide on Issues

[pbrower2a]

(01-28-2021, 09:57 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-28-2021, 05:52 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(01-26-2021, 01:27 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-25-2021, 11:50 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-23-2021, 01:07 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: You do not want your sons joining Proud Bois or Boogaloo Boys. Really.

Are you sure Classic Xer is not himself a member of Proud Boys? He talks like he is.

No. I'm a member of a much larger group of American citizens that's largely idle at the moment. Like I've mentioned, the ball is in your court and the fate of the Democratic party has been placed  in their own hands and that's the way it should be right now. Welcome to the 4T.

I have the faith (and you are welcome to call it arrogance) to believe that we Democrats have far more flexibility in meeting economic distress. Our idea of what America encompasses includes people who used to vote heavily Democratic in the latter part of the 20th century: poor white people in the Mountain and Deep South. If we win such people back because of some 21st-century equivalent of a New Deal or a Marshall Plan, then your Party stands to lose landslide elections. 

I want to see a revival of service as an objective of politics at the expense of identity. Identity politics, either way, are bad politics.

The plutocrats to which you (and this means Classic X'er) show political loyalty don't give a damn about poor white people in Appalachia. Well I do, dammit! Poverty for any large group of people serves the rest of us badly unless we be exploiters. Aside from the ethical disgrace of exploitation, it is not even good for survival. To be sure one can live well as an exploiter, but one can also see the exploited turning against one. Just think of Russia in 1917 or China or northern Vietnam in the late 1940's.

Social market (like contemporary, united Germany) or Socialist state (like the former DDR)? I'd rather have the former.

I'd called it ignorance instead of arrogance but whatever.

Don't confuse me with einzige, who really is a Marxist-Leninist. The rich have more of a stake in the smooth operation of government and recognize at times, whether out of conscience or caution, that it is best that the common man have a stake in the system. They typically have a desire to prevent a proletarian revolution that would surely dispossess them and almost as surely kill them. Some of the inheritor class are smart and some are stupid. Wars for profit can be highly lucrative -- until the war ends in defeat and culminates in the warmongers being tried and convicted as war criminals, category "crimes against peace". The warmongers can lose their assets, their political power, their freedom, and perhaps even their lives. 

Economic elites might have the chance to take everything, in which case the prosperity of the society is only for a few. That is not good for social peace.  

Quote:You haven't figured the plutocrats are supporting the Democrats today.

Most of the super-rich support Republicans. They are for tax cuts and for evisceration of labor unions. Republicans have come to accept Big Government as means of getting the rewards of crony capitalism, including sweetheart deals more lucrative than competitive enterprise.

Quote:You also haven't figured that the proceeds associated with the Democratic victories will be going to big city round heads and the plutocrats and whatever initiatives associated with Uber elites and the crony capitalists associated with them.

So?

Quote:So, you're a German American. Well, you're speaking to a British, French, Bohemian/Czechoslovakian/Czech Republic (I figured I mention all ) American or just an American.

To be more specific, I am nearly-half German and Swiss (largely Pennsylvania Dutch, which is basically German and Swiss and not Dutch) and nearly-half English, Welsh, and Scots-Irish, with a smattering of other origins (Dutch, French, Belgian, Danish, and Norwegian)... with some mysteries. That also says much about what I am not. If one looks at where my ancestors first appeared in America they appeared about everywhere from northern Virginia to about the Massachusetts/New Hampshire state line, so that rules out any groups of people from the Tidewater region or Spanish America.  

Unlike you I do not define what is America by what is not like me. Let's start with two of the most obvious:  I know of no ancestry in First Peoples of any kind in the Americas. They were here before our ancestors got here. Then consider the people who got recognition in view of the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments as Americans, enslaved Africans and their descendants. Their masters stripped the slaves from any cultural connections, whether of language, religion, or music and imposed upon them patterns of life usually associated (Louisiana was an exception, as there was a different basis) with a servile culture associated with an English peasantry that had no reason to emigrate to the New World and its dangers to endure much the same poverty and subjection that it knew in England. Yes, descendants of those slaves have developed distinctive ways of life -- but they did so in America with what was available. It may be quite creative and innovative, but it is still artificial. It is also distinctly American, and it is very distinct from the cultures of African-descended people in Brazil, Spanish-speaking peoples of African origin, and even Jamaicans. What else can it be?

There are many ways to be an American.    
  

Quote: Well, you live in America with a free market economy with several monopolies that are currently getting in the way of progress. 

Injustice toward anyone else does not serve me. 

Quote:I hate to say it dude but your not going to have a choice when the American first movement decides it's done with the Democrats and  splits the country and you end up with whatever the Democrats impose and force you to accept afterwards. I've been telling you that oil and water don't mix and one size fits all will never work in an American country with all kinds of climates.

That is how things went in Yugoslavia. It was ugly. I refuse to align myself with anyone who does evil to others.