The Partisan Divide on Issues

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(02-11-2021, 10:28 PM)Einzige Wrote: It isn't merely a matter of rearranging money wealth. Marxists have no interest in seizing your bank account and redistributing its contents. This is basically the social democratic solution. It ends up parasitizing other workers. Nothing I propose involves money in any way except its abolition.

Money is more efficient than barter. If there is no fiat currency, then something else will have to suffice. Gold? Silver? Bismuth? Big businesses, public or private, would issue vouchers. Wal*Mart (yuck!) gift cards would circulate reasonably well, and if that were all that were available, maybe entities as diverse as competitors such as Target, Kroger, Amazon, Shell, McDonald's, Cartier, Direct TV, and the local utility would accept them as payment. In the absence of paychecks you might accept those gift cards by default.      

Quote: Neither is it a matter of just taking over physical factories and running them co-operatively, though plenty of anarchists do believe this.  Physical wealth, tools and shelter, will need to be redistributed, but this is not the end - only a beginning.

The first step to making a better America, now that we have ousted Donald Judas Trump, is to make America more equitable. 

Quote:Rather, it is of abolishing social class in all its forms. This is an almost intangible goal, but is quite explicable if you think. It does not mean that everyone will be equal at all times in every capacity. This is a fiction which, among other other things, Engels rejected in a letter to August Bebel. It does mean that the scarring processes associated with class uplift and social climbing, and disadvantages based solely on place of birth or the socioeconomic status of parents, will be eliminated, and that everything is accessible to all men from the first. It also means the elimination of insane, backwards social markers by which men are judged from their births. To do this requires the elimination of production for exchange as the generalized mode of production on Earth.

Nope. Social class in bad times and very bad places is the distinction between excess and gross need. Under more benign circumstances, social class distinguishes more benign attributes of people, like their ways of living. I look at Class by the late Paul Fussell, which was written in the halcyon days before Reagan became President, when people could live well on a job in an auto plant. Social class related heavily to taste and formal education. Thus a plumbing contractor and an attorney in the same community with similar income might live in two very different worlds. Both were above average in income, but how differently might they live! The plumbing contractor might have a big, gaudy RV that he takes to "Vegas". The lawyer might instead spend money on a trip that might have the old Austro-Hungarian Empire as a theme... Dubrovnik, Sarajevo, Venice (it was under Austrian rule for about fifty years), Salzburg, Vienna, Prague, Krakow, Budapest, and maybe Dracula's castle. Just imagine the cultural richness! 

OK... how old is the family money, does one have a professional occupation, does one appreciate art but disparage Kitsch, how skilled is your occupation, how good is your education... this is comparatively benign.   


There will be no ahead. No behind. Only human development for it's own sake. This will, eventually, prove an absolute necessity.

Quote:Ponder this excerpt from Reddit:

Quote:I got the education I got because I was given scholarships for it. The work I have done I got straight out of school.


I have applied for better positions and tried to move into different more high paying industries but have not been able to even get a call back. It is not for lack of trying or bad choices. I am trying every possible avenue open to me but there is not a lot I can do when the best I get is an interview and 99% of my applications don't even email me back.

I got the education I got because I could. It really has nothing to do with where I am now. I can't land anything and it is not because I am lazy or entitled or blacklisted. I honestly don't know why I can't seem to land anything but at least I might be able to save myself from total failure with a warehouse job I am interviewing for tomorrow.

You presume to know a lot about me, but you really don't. I did everything right and still got no where. I am willing and able to work but still see nothing.
The last job in my field I applied to had 500 other applicants. Someone with C level experience beat me out for the role. That is what I am up against.
So get stuffed and don't assume what you can't even begin to understand.

The capitalist model that we now have is one in which everything desirable is scarce and everything awful is plentiful. Capitalism depends upon making examples out of people even  in economic consequences... let us say the PhD working as a barista or doing oil changes, and many of those examples are pure luck or despair. The people who really rule us are cruel, rapacious, and potentially reckless. 

OK, maybe we need more farm laborers than we need poets; you can eat bread, but you cannot eat poetry. Maybe we need more people to supervise transactions at convenience stores than we need professors of Russian literature. Maybe we need more people to sweep floors than to play a violin in a symphony orchestra. That has nothing to do with any ideology. The plutocracy that we have endured for forty years may still be the norm indefinitely, so how do we adjust?  

Quote:Fuck capitalist individualism. Understanding the nature of the beast early on is why I gave up and never even tried.

I have tried. I have done jobs that I hated. In such work I have come to recognize capitalism as a monstrosity. In time one recognizes that one must survive and try to eke out some joy in life. Some resort to boozing and whoring. Some try to create a fantasy world in which they imagine themselves important because of the competence that the System completely disregards. In time one may find a job that offers something short of the complete, pure nightmare that you have known. Maybe out of some principle you decide to avoid dating and having children. After all it is unspeakably cruel to raise a child to be a victim of people who ultimately see that child in adulthood as cannon fodder for wars of profit, or livestock as workers or as prisoners... if they don't become addicts or whores out of desperation.  I may have ended up with a lonely and frustrating life, but at the least I will never leave that as a burden for anyone to whom I might have some attachment. As an ethical choice, I have decided that my suffering ends with me! 
 

Quote:Both conservatism and left-liberalism are the enemies. They retard this for the sake of developing a false consciousness.

Left-liberals propose to use governmental mechanisms to redistribute morsels of wealth while strengthening and intensifying existing social relations. Right-liberals, conservatives, do the same.

Conservatism is industrial workers having forty-year lifespans working seventy hours a week. Liberalism is industrial workers who have seventy-year lifespans working forty hours a week. The choice should be abundantly clear.