04-22-2021, 09:16 PM
(04-22-2021, 02:52 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(03-27-2021, 08:25 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Over on the Generation Dynamics forum, one of John’s supposed geniuses proclaimed that he was for freedom. Blues were not, I scratched my head a few times and came up with a religious idea that is popular with the Neo pagan crowd. “Do what you will, but harm none.” I proposed that in seeking a more perfect union, both parts of that phrase were important. The government preventing freedom by requiring laws and regulations to be coerced on people can be justified justified if and only to prevent harm. The more perfect union required that only appropriate laws are written, and those laws would be obeyed.
I gave a few examples. Laws requiring stopping at red lights reduces freedom, but if everyone obeys the law it reduces confusion and prevents harm. OSHA writes workplace regulations that are acceptable if they are focused to prevent harm. Freedom for the factory owner to seek a creative way to profit is fine, so long as he does not cause harm. This would double down if you are requiring meat packing plants to remain open in a pandemic environment without taking all due protections to protect the worker.
No insurrections? No murdering people because their skin pigmentation is a bit different? No preventing people from voting? Are reds really so much into freedom? Are they so crazy about their own freedom that they are forgetting the common good?
Anyway, with our having a libertarian over here, I thought I’d repeat the idea that laws are justified when the intent is to reduce harm. And if anyone is of a mind that that the call of freedom can drown out the need to work together to prevent harm, that freedom justifies murder, I’d give them a chance to say so.
We are for freedom, the blues are not. I keep telling you, we won't be fighting with Democrats over slavery this time around. We are going to be fighting with Democrats over our (American) freedom and national sovereignty this time around. You f-d up. You haven't be listening. You must like cults. Did you like cults? I ask because you are associated with a Marxist cult that is similar to the Marxist Nazi cult? Are you ready to feel what it was like to be associated with them? So, when did the KKK get darker Bob? Are you going to be foolish enough to give them a pass? Why would a free American like yourself go along with their racist views and give them a pass?
With your idea of what constitutes "American" freedom, I want to be in some other country should your concept of freedom be achieved.
As for the KKK getting a darker hue, that is not so much of skin color as of morals. KKK groups have been adopting attributes of Nazi ideology, including heavy use of the word "Aryan". Of course the Second (1915) Klan had fascist traits while Antichrist Hitler was still a 'mere' soldier and before Mussolini called his anti0himan ideology "fascism". The Second Klan and its successors adopted antisemitism from the outset and have stuck with it. Whether Hitler adopted Klan practice knowingly or otherwise, Hitler imitated the Kln habit of having most of its activities at night, when due to tiredness people are more suggestible to abusive doctrines Both the Klan and the Nazis used fire heavily in ceremonies, although Nazis eventually found "practical" uses of fire, such as burning books and musical scores. Although unlike the Nazis it never achieved the power with which to commit large-scale genocide, some Klan groups have shown that they might like to do so and would do so if they got the chance. One Klansman was reported as saying as he pointed to a burning cross
"I wish there was a n---er on that cross".
Even the Nazis stopped short of burning victims at the stake.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.