The Partisan Divide on Issues

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(05-22-2021, 03:59 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(05-20-2021, 11:07 AM). David Horn Wrote:

(05-19-2021, 07:32 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(05-17-2021, 04:52 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(05-17-2021, 01:52 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: It feels to me like things are coming to a head again as they have not for a while.  Georgia and New York are targeting Trump.  The DC courts are circling Barr and his so called Justice Department.  Florida is holding meetings where the state law gives the governor the right to block extradition.  They are circling Gaetz too.  I have a feeling that we will some day move from ‘it is in the works’ to ‘it is happening.’

Can you run a presidential campaign while not daring to leave Florida?

It would be popcorn worthy for the governor of one state to block extradition to another on any felony case -- and that's where these charges lead.  Even the RW SCOTUS will choke on that one, assuming certiorari of course. If the target is Trump, I doubt they can dodge it on any basis, so assume that yes, they will get dragged into it. Of course, the Southern District of New York may bring a Federal case, and no governor can block that, so that may be better: drag him to NY to face a Federal trial, then hit him with the state cases once he's there.

It's your way of thinking (tribal thinking) that's going to end with a lot of leftists and so called Democrats being targeted and eliminated all over the country. Dave, with me, you've pretty met your match because I can change, slide morality and the rule of law  off to the side  and embrace, impose and apply  your way of thinking too. I never thought that I would be here to see the day when an older communist like you and some of the others embrace and go along with fascism. I assume that your recent philosophical/Ideological  about   face or turn to fascism has something to do with necessity at this point.

Where's the Fascism?  Seeing Trump in jail for his obvious crimes isn't Fascism.  It's justice.  Trump may pull it off, and escape yet again.  If he does, then he does.  If won't be right, but the rule of law is pretty strict.  The burden of proof lies with the prosecution.

What obvious crimes? I'm not aware of any obvious crimes or any major possibilities either. You'd think after 4 years of investigations and millions of American tax dollars spent, the liberal elites and their corporations and their big government crony's would have found something concrete or obvious as you say by now. So, do you think the attorney general of New York  is politically biased and therefore politically motivated and possibly  corrupt. I've seen plenty of evidence/proof from her that she's biased and politically motivated as well.[/quote]

1. It is still fascist even if it does not succeed. Adolf Hitler may not have called himself a fascist in the immediate aftermath of the Beer Hall Putsch, but he left plenty of evidence of his character, including his contempt for a fledgling democracy that he considered weak and corrupt and his blatant hatred of 'non-Aryans'. 

The KKK tries to avoid connections with anything exotic, which at one time included Roman Catholicism. It has most of the hallmarks of European, Asian, and Latin-American fascism: gaudy symbolism, a reactionary agenda in economics, overt racism, violence in word and deed, and hostility toward any proletarian interests.   

2. The presumption of innocence still applies in a court of law, so any description of Donald Trump as a criminal is still metaphor and not legal reality. Donald Trump was safe from criminal prosecution while President, but there is plenty of shady stuff to investigate. Just wait and see how legal process goes. 

3. Obama-like behavior is the norm in the Democratic Party... and Republicans adopt it or put themselves at risk of electoral defeat. That's the sort of behavior that one sees from the most successful Reactive/Nomad leaders late in a 4T and throughout a 1T.    

Quote:As far as I know, the abuse of power is still  a crime in this country and it's also associated with fascism/fascist states where it's acceptable and perfectly legal. You don't see the obvious signs associated with fascism/ fascist states. The State of Minnesota isn't Democratic enough to be become a fascist or communist state. You don't see the obvious sign  of racism being used as an excuse or as justification and you don't see it being politicized. Are you deaf, blind and down right clueless to be missing all the obvious signs associated with fascism these days.  

     
I live in Michigan, and some people who have much in common with fascism were caught in an elaborate plot to kidnap the Governor of our state. The old distinction between conservatism and fascism was the rule of law, with less-bloodthirsty fascists like Dollfuss, Schuschnigg, Metaxas, Salazar, and Horthy making concessions to the rule of law while the more bloodthirsty ones like Hitler, Tojo, Pavelic, Szalasi, Pinochet, the Argentine military clique, Satan Hussein, al-Baghdadi, Mussolini (in the end), and Franco (in the beginning) making none. When leading Republicans sacrifice the rule of law for power, as did Donald Trump, one has much to dread in the GOP. 

So how can you account for the Capitol insurrection of January 6? People are not going to be prosecuted for political beliefs that became mainstream in much of America.  

Quote:Dude. we are patiently waiting for a bunch of arrogant left wing politicians (the majority of whom are untested females who are accustomed to special protections that are granted to females) who have never seen a real war up close, who never had there nose broke during a fight and never felt or experienced real hardship to (expletive deleted) and cross a line they should now better than to cross at this point. You don't know what fascism looks and sounds or acts like in real life? All you and the others have to do is look in the mirror to see what a dumb fascist supporter living in America looks like these days.

We rightly choose our politicians in free and competitive elections. As for arrogance... do you fail to see it in Lauren Bobbert and Marjorie Taylor-Greene? They are on the Right!

...never seeing a war up close does not make one an incompetent leader in wartime. Think at the extreme of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, whom Hitler derided as a "cripple". Having never had a nose broken in a fight? From what I understand, the US Military Academy doesn't teach cadets how to win bar-room brawls. Avoiding bar-room brawls looks more like evidence of character. Yes, I generally avoid bars. With my autism, my blank stare can easily be confused with an attempt to seduce a wife or girlfriend, which might get me a broken nose.

I have seen enough book and video evidence of fascist crimes to find fascism appalling. One murder is one too many.