(08-11-2021, 01:24 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(08-11-2021, 01:50 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:Quote:(Capitol Putsch of January 6, 2021, in essence)
You're still stuck on an event that America has already moved beyond and no longer cares about these days.
Wrong; that insurrection bodes ill for the survival of American democracy. Elections have meaning, lest there be no democracy. Heck, Syria has elections. In essence, democracy depends upon people in power being willing to lose elections when they fail or go stale. That insurrection will be remembered much like 9/11 or Pearl Harbor Day.
What part of "Donald Trump was a catastrophic failure as President" do you not understand? Donald Trump sought to nullify an election that he lost. That, all too often, is how democracies become dictatorships. The other method is rigged elections.
Donald Trump showed more dictatorial and despotic traits than any other President in American history. Under him formed a secret police responsible to nobody but himself to harass dissidents. What he did wrong in the Dictator's Playbook was to try to purge his political allies of backsliders before making the opposition irrelevant. Maybe he wouldn't have made that mistake the next time. Thank God, and 306 electoral votes that went to Joe Biden, that he had gotten no second chance.
Donald Trump still has a nasty personality cult behind him. If it loses him, then it will find someone else -- maybe someone who knows enough to start assassinating opponents in elected office, media, academia, labor unions, etc.
Quote:I'd say that Black Lives Matter, Antifa and the group of Americans who stormed the capital are equally destructive myself and pretty much the same. The only difference is that one was more focused on addressing the real issue with Washington DC than the other two associated with you.
The real issue in Washington DC was a President attempting to gut the checks and balances that our Founding Fathers determined essential to a "republic", as they understood the word. Donald Trump has demonstrated through his affronts to them why they remain necessary. If anything, we need to shore them up.
Imagine that a clique of left-wingers went into the Capitol building and used Old Glory and such banners as the Rainbow flag and perhaps Black Power and Marxist flags against Capitol police on the behalf of a liberal President who had just lost the election fair-and-square. Under such circumstances you would surely be offended as I was.
Quote:Unfortunately for you, I happen to believe that America could break up, regroup and reestablish itself while the Democratic states (Democratic populations/tribes) fight over the big government scraps associated with a bygone era. In short, the progressives are a bunch of [derogatory language redacted] compared to most of us these days.
In view of the last few Presidential elections and alternations between who holds House and Senate minorities, nobody can establish whether the "Blue" side or the "Red" side of American politics defines what is American and what isn't.
Quote:You want to attach your life to a senile old man or a [sexist language redacted] or some imbecile who sounds smart (comment: Huh? Smart people can play dumb, but dumb people can never keep up the charade of intelligence that they do not have) or [vile sexist language redacted] or a group of blue billionaire and some blue corporations that aren't even close to being worth a trillion then by all means be my guest. I'll say goodbye and good riddance.
That isn't how politics works. Ideally we rely upon our efforts to get jobs and income, find meaning in life, and deal with sundry nastiness that we encounter. Anyone who relies upon the government to solve his problems and not some effort is a fool. Even if the government provides schooling one must apply oneself to get anything out of it.
Quote:BTW, the Bolsheviks overthrew a group of non elected rulers and then established themselves as the new rulers with the same powers to control as the group they replaced. Sorry dude but you are ignorant/clueless/careless enough and needy enough to be a modern day Bolshevik or a Nazi supporter these days. All you're doing right now is setting yourself up to go down along with them. You've already seen what Democrats do when the going gets tough. The Democrats skip town and leave their people without any representation. That's going to be you and the other libtards here eventually.
Lenin's Bolsheviks overthrew a shaky democracy with a severe contradiction in power (a bourgeois regime and Bolshevists holding control of councils called soviets), The Constituent Assembly of the Provisional Republic was freely elected in a multi-Party election in which Lenin's Bolsheviks fared badly.
It is a longstanding myth drummed into people in the old Soviet Union that the Bolsheviks overthrew the Romanov dynasty in their revolution. Russia had two revolutions in 1917: first, the bourgeois revolution that toppled the incompetent tsar Nicholas II and installed the Provisional Republic, a parliamentary democracy. Lenin overthrew the infant Russian Democracy in the October Revolution by storming the Winter Palace.
So you don't know those details?
As someone who recognizes Vladimir Lenin as a murderous autocrat I cannot be a Communist. Nazi? All that I have in common with Nazis is that nearly half my ancestry is German and that the rest is unobjectionable by Nazi "racial" standards. I consider Nazism pure evil, and if I had to choose between it and Judaism, I would be a Jew. Such would take no ethical or cultural compromises (OK, I could never keep kosher, but there is Reform).
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.