The Partisan Divide on Issues

[pbrower2a]

(01-20-2022, 02:18 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-19-2022, 04:18 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-19-2022, 02:33 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Yes, those rights are for all of us -- as I call it "the Big Us" as opposed to the "narrow Us" that Classic X'er defines as people like he. That "narrow Us" excludes tens of millions of people who differ from what he considers American by race, ethnicity, religion, political views, or exual orientation.

Indeed, the Classic Xers are now making a good start at taking away our rights with the help of two phony Democrats, including coal baron Joe Manchin, by defeating the voting rights bills. The Republicans are proceeding with carte blanche to gerrymander and subvert elections so they can win the House and later take the presidency away from unpopular Joe Biden.

You should be thanking the two Democrats for diverting another American Civil War vs another group of Democrats. Yes. Your right to cheat and manipulate political outcomes are being limited and restricted across most of the country. Do you remember what I told you and showed you was going to happen to you if you and the others didn't change your ways and continued to persist? So, where are we at Eric? So, have you or any other Marxist Revolutionary who currently exist ever fought a real life war or found yourselves in a real life fight with American Revolutionary's? What do suppose the rules are going to be during such a war/fight?

Cheat? What cheat?

When the law expands the franchise to people recently denied the vote through chicanery, threats, or outright force one can expect the new law to result in chances in the political agenda. When demographics erode support for some aspects of the recent consensus and suggest an electorate desiring something else, then politicians adapt or lose relevance (especially when they are defeated). I look at several of the farm-state Senators from Great Plains states who were able to get re-elected by supporting farm and ranch subsidies that aided the remaining small farmers who then reliably voted Republican in Presidential elections. Economic reality, namely the tendency for corporate farmers to squeeze out small farmers,. ensured the loss of support for such US Senators. On the other side, the growth of the Hispanic population has given opportunities to Democrats in the American Southwest.

America is becoming less white, rural, and Protestant, and Republicans have failed to keep up with the sentiments of the electorate that results. Even Texas, a reliable R state in Presidential elections since 1980 (from 1988 on it straddled the 400th electoral vote for a Democratic nominee) isn't so lockstep Republican anymore. Texas used to be decidedly more rural, more dominated by the oil industry, and less educated than America as a whole. To be sure the rural areas are becoming more R -- but they are also losing population while Texas cities grow rapidly.

I look at the Capitol Putsch, and participants seem to largely fit the demographics of what you, Classic X'er, see as the "Real America". Such people may believe that they are more right about America going down the political and economic toilet. That is not for you to decide on their behalf. They may think that nobody could have possibly voted against their political idol Donald Trump because few that they know admit that they will vote otherwise. Such people believe that the giant cities are modern-day equivalents of Sodom and Gomorrah due to all the feminists, LGBT people, non-Christians, educated people, and minorities. Yes, I can identify at least one example of an urban area in my state that really is a Sodom and Gomorrah (southwest Detroit along Michigan Avenue west of the site of old Tiger Stadium), but I contrast that to abutting Dearborn with its large Arab and Muslim population that has little tolerance for drunks, addicts, whores, and pimps wandering into their town.

The people that you disparage include some very good people.The sole fault that I see with the people that you see as salt-of-the-earth types is that they could fall for a vile man who was the nominee of one of the two main Parties. I hate financial cheats and I have little respect for rabble-rousing bigots and men who go through spouses faster than some people go through cars.
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Quote:OK, Your thoughtless act of desperation aka low life attempt at a power grab disguised as a voting rights bill failed miserably.  So, has anyone ever taught you that bait and switch is bad and results in negative consequences like you are seeing today? So, why would a group of wealthy blue minded politicians with degree's associated with elite colleges stoop so low these days? Aren't they supposed to be the cream of the crop as far as human beings these days? Yeah. It's pretty much bullshit but it's what y'all pretty much believe right. I mean, it's about as bad as changing a bunch of election laws during an election and acting like nothing was wrong about it or wrong with it or anything bad happened. So, where do you think poor old PB should move to these days? I've been telling him he should move now vs leaving it to Us to decide for him. I mean, he might find himself being dropped off in the middle of a desert in New Mexico or Nevada along with millions of other Global Citizens.

Denying people the vote through some chicanery or any form of discriminatory behavior to shape the electorate to get a predetermined result is grossly undemocratic. One Texas proposal is to allow only one drop-off site per county even if that is Harris (Greater Houston), Dallas (Dallas), Bexar (San Antonio), Travis (Austin), El Paso (El Paso), and Tarrant (Fort Worth) Counties, all of which have populations of one million or more.

Oregon (decidedly D) and Utah (decidedly R)  both have elections by mail. Every state can do that. That was close to reality in 2020 when COVID-19 made voting places sites of potential mass-infections from deadly COVID-19. The 2018 and 2020 elections didn't go your way (a/k/a the way of the bosses of the Republican Party). Well, about half the time most people will find the overall election at the national level going other than how they want it to go. (It's worse if you vote Third Party on occasion).

So the old hacks who lost step aside and let newer figures try their novel ideas and perhaps drop some of the more unpopular messages that their Party recently lost with. As an example, Democratic nominees from Bill Clinton on have abandoned the idea that poverty creates crime and that character makes crime likely for an individual sociopath. There are plenty of good people in the slums of America, but they are prey for the criminal gangs.

2020 is unique due to COVID-19. States had to adjust laws to accommodate the reality of COVID-19.  Look at it this way: if someone approached a polling place with a sheet hanging from his car window that reads "NI--ER, if you vote you die - KKK" you would reasonably expect the local law enforcement to get that implicit threat away, if necessary with an arrest. COVID-19 was posing a similar threat to voters of all kinds. The cops cannot arrest that virus, but that virus has killed.

Both Parties have had their bad years. They revive by changing their messages to fit public sentiment. If they fail at that then they keep losing. Republicans really need a conservative version of Barack Obama. They will be better off when they recognize that all that kept Barack Obama from being a fine conservative President was that he had a liberal agenda. Obama's style of leadership is as conservative as one can get.

Oh, by the way -- Donald Trump is a low-life irrespective of the wealth and power that he wields. So are the people entwined in messing around with underage girls in the Epstein-Maxwell ring of perverts. Also -- you might consider imbibing in some aspects of the lives of us "global citizens". The cuisine is tastier on our side, and the music may be better. My musical tastes are more typical of Jewish-Americans than most of the German-Americans that I know.

As for dropping off people in harsh desert or semi-desert zones for their political views -- that sounds too much like a concentration camp to me.