The Partisan Divide on Issues

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(02-03-2022, 02:58 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-02-2022, 06:45 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(02-02-2022, 01:11 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Dude, the armies are already aligned and the battle lines have already been drawn and the Blue youth that show up out of pure self interest are going to find Themselves being turned against each other and slaughtered. The Blue community seems pretty insular and dogmatic these days don't you think. I suppose that you don't think or view it that way since it's very obvious to everyone else that you're one of Them. Sorry dude, I wish I was a better writer than a businessman. It's the only thing that's  keeping you in the game at this point.

Again, the no change, stay the same, no solve the problem side has always lost in a crisis.  I don't know why you expect things to be different this time.

Where did you get the impression that I expect things to be different this time? Unlike you, I don't expect things to be different this time. I expect to see some kind of conflict to occur that results in human casualties and loss of life. So far, the Democrat's in charge seem to be hell bent on setting the stage for such a conflict to occur within the United States. Why here? I guess the Northern Democrats aka Northern Aristocracy of today aren't any wiser and are as arrogant as the Southern Democrats aka Southern Aristocracy were prior to the last American civil war.

Nutcases attacking Houses of Worship have already taken lives. Even your part of America on the whole sees such appalling. There could well be serial killers like Ted "Unabom" Kaczynski and Joseph Paul Franklin moving about exercising what they consider their grim conclusions about what is good and what is evil. In this Crisis we are surely long past the early phase in which a Bloody Kansas is possible. OK, maybe that is premature; my state (Michigan) has been Ground Zero for the struggle between freedom and fascism. People will be losing their freedom for plotting to kidnap the Governor.

We on the Obama-style Left have been adopting conservative virtues while your side sloughs them off. My side believes in the rule of law, law and order, the validity of learning and expertise, the need for rewards based on merit, the utility of tradition as a fallback when radical change fails, and disdain for rogues. Much of this reflects the values of America's model minorities who have often refused to assimilate the basest aspects of American life. Surely you have seen my maps comparing Obama and Eisenhower elections. Ike and Obama have shown many of the same virtues. Obama did not get as many electoral votes or as large a share of the popular vote, probably because Obama could never win over the farm-and-ranch or mining interests. 

Once the 1T is truly underway we will see changes in educational patterns, with parental care following those patterns if parents don't want their children left behind. Rational thought, moral virtues, sobriety, initiative, enterprise, and integrity will be cherished. We will recognize diversity as richness instead of division, and we will have no tolerance for extremist ideologies and violence.  

Quote:What prompted you (Bob Butler)  to vote for Hoover and reinstate the 3T status quo this time? Did someone trick you into believing that Bumbling Biden was equivalent to FDR or something? Was it years of Democratic related indoctrination and propaganda or what? You're the one who made the big mistake so I'll leave it to you to figure it out as your dealing with rising costs, financial losses and all kinds of nasty problems that are mainly Democratic related or largely caused by Democrats during the 4T.

I can't speak for Bob, but you might as well ask the same question of me, although without the loaded language. Most of us had our misgivings about Joe Biden due to his age. Those are far less than the well-documented faults of Donald Trump, a prime example of pathological narcissism. Trump is an odd combination of senescence and immaturity. He is intellectually lazy, and he has a grave misconception that the Presidency is a sort of dictatorship. We get a Lincoln or FDR when Congress recognizes to give nearly-dictatorial powers to the President in the face of economic meltdowns and dangerous wars. Otherwise the Presidency is more persuasion than command. 

Donald Trump bungled the response to the plague of COVID-19, and that plague has caused severe disruptions in a free-enterprise economy that has yet to fully adjust. One million deaths, mostly of people in the workforce, cannot fail to cause dislocations -- especially if the human losses are disproportionately in certain job categories. Such naturally leads to inflation, with Big Business charging what the traffic will bear only to create gluts in response to the higher prices -- after which Big Business must cut prices. 

COVID-19 is expensive to treat in severe cases; respirators are not cheap. Many who get to that stage who do not die will be crippled physically and mentally. People will come out of it stupider (with ill effects upon the economy), with diabetes or organ damage. Some who survive will be obliged to sell their houses for fire-sale prices to meet costs of medical treatment or of unexpected funerals. 

President Biden has not resorted to wage-and-price controls which would make things worse by trying to maintain an economic reality that no longer exists. The price system will sort things out. It may decide that the neoliberal solution to inflation that depends upon working multitudes hard for pittances that allow nothing more than bare survival (people work, but do not participate in the prosperity) has lost its validity. One of the casualties of COVID-19 is price stability. A prime example; I went to Dollar Tree, which used to claim that most things are to sell for one dollar. Now it is $1.25 for most of what used to sell for a dollar.