(02-08-2020, 09:09 PM)Snowflake1996 Wrote:(02-08-2020, 11:02 AM)Ghost Wrote:(02-08-2020, 02:27 AM)Snowflake1996 Wrote: The realignment of American politics in 2016-2020 indicates a very strong shift from 3T individualism to 4T collective action against our problems. Trump’s takeover of the GOP shifted the Party to a more collectivist way of thinking compared to Bush and Reagan (clearly defining enemies in the form of the immigrants, foreign trade competition, etc) and the possible takeover of the Democratic Party by Bernie Sanders is definitely a bigger collective shift for liberals.
If Sanders becomes the nominee he will cement his views onto the Party. If he’s elected then expect him to be the gray champion given his robust support among civic millennials.
He has a pretty strong Gen Z/Artist (born 1997-2012) support as well by what I have seen.
I thought the generational lines for millennials generally began in the early 80’s and extended roughly 3-5 years before the start of the 4T (so 2002-2005)? I guess there isn’t an agreed upon start of the 4T yet. I think the culture definitely began to shift sometime between the re-election of Bush and Obama’s first election (2004-2008) but the exact dates are fuzzy.
Bernie is very strong with anyone under the age of 30 today as far as I can tell.
(02-08-2020, 09:50 AM)David Horn Wrote:(02-08-2020, 02:27 AM)Snowflake1996 Wrote: The realignment of American politics in 2016-2020 indicates a very strong shift from 3T individualism to 4T collective action against our problems. Trump’s takeover of the GOP shifted the Party to a more collectivist way of thinking compared to Bush and Reagan (clearly defining enemies in the form of the immigrants, foreign trade competition, etc) and the possible takeover of the Democratic Party by Bernie Sanders is definitely a bigger collective shift for liberals.
If Sanders becomes the nominee he will cement his views onto the Party. If he’s elected then expect him to be the gray champion given his robust support among civic millennials.
There are two very big 'ifs' there, and neither is assured. Beyond that, binding his views to the Dems is fine, but how does that translate into policy? The GOPpers are already pushing (arguably crossing) legal bounds to keep the Dems from being successful, and that will only increase under Sanders. They have a structural advantage in the Senate that's hard to displace, so it will require killing the filibuster for good when the balance shifts. Sadly, the balance tend to restore quickly, so Millennials had better be up to the task of shifting power in, what are today, red states, or this strategy goes down in flames very quickly.
We’ll see in a few weeks if the first premise comes true. Biden appears to be the only serious alternative to Sanders (Buttigieg falls off a cliff once you get to NV/SC due to paltry minority support, Bloomberg is a wild card but I can’t seriously imagine Dems falling in line for him since he’s banking on Super Tuesday) and Biden’s campaign is currently in panic mode and running out of cash. I’d say Sanders is a solid favorite so far but we’ll see what happens in a few weeks times. After the first four contests are decided (IA/MH/NV/SC), we’ll know who the nominee will be (or worse yet if we’re heading towards a contested convention).
Sanders could lose the GE, in which case the grey champion is likely an older Xer the way Obama was and is elected in 2024 running heavily off Sanders’ platform. 2022 would be equivalent to 1930 in terms of Dems gains in the midterms with 2024 being 1932.
-- Bernie can still be a grey champion w/out being Prez. Benjamin Franklin was never Prez.. Bernie's platform is inspiring ppl & contributing 2 a regeneracy.
The 4T started some time after 2012. My homeboy Dennis was a Berniecrat b4 Bernie bcame relevant He tried running. 4 Prez on a Bernie platform in 2004 & 2008 & got nowhere. John Edwards also tried running on a modified Bernie platform in 2008 with no success. The Dems were successful in getting an empty suit on the WH that year however, & again in 2012. This is bcuz we were still in a 3T then. But by 2016 the ppl were ready 4 the Dennis/John/Bernie message. So l would say the 4T started sometime btween 2012 & 2015, when Bernie bcame relevant
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