Was 911 & the Cultural Aftermath/Change in National Mood Part of This Crisis Period?

[David Horn]

(06-24-2018, 08:12 PM)TheNomad Wrote: **shit this was in reply to EricTheGreen but the OP vanished**

This is good.  All of it.  I am unsure to what level of evolution Americans need to be prepared for.  Ultimately, there are A LOT of people and not every one of them can be a CEO or an ultra-skilled employee.  Factories were an amazing way to keep people busy and earning a wage.  Post WWII Hyper Capitalism is what America is right now founded on.  Yet, that Hyper Capitalism defeats Nationalism in a Global Economy.

We can no longer expect or even hope that ANY corporation or business to be remotely ethical or even loyal.

So if that is true, WHERE is America civilization in this current culture?  We are being put in the position of ULTIMATE CONSUMER without even addressing how we are to get the money to consume all these things.  And education is not the answer.  There will always be way more inventory of unskilled or lowskilled labor than executives.  Nobody dreamed up where these people would be employed.  The idea hinges on if a company can use India for cheaper labor, why would they not?  The WWII struggle and concurrent social shifts ensured corporations could be free of any inherent national loyalty.  That is what we wrought in that last 4T struggle.  I wonder how we can reverse it if at all.  Because it didn't turn out well.

I agree with most of this  but can't agree that this was a direct result of the last 4T.  The empowerment of corporations started much later -- in the 2T. There are many reasons why this occurred, but the most important is the kind of 2T we had.  Since 2Ts tend to focus on what's still unresolved from the previous 4T, the last 2T focused on empowerment (though it wasn't called that at the time).  All the social issues got bundled with freedom to non-conform, and the economic issues were totally ignored.

Well, not totally ignored.  The socio-economic elite focused with laser precision on what they consider "their money", though they also knew that adding libertarian gloss to their message made it both acceptable and much more powerful.  That's why the Kochs are so successful.  They were early adopters.  So now you have the left fighting for social justice and the right for dignity and respect, while the economic elites are grabbing the money as fast as they can.

There seems to be a slow recognition that this is happening, but it's late in arriving … perhaps too late for this 4T to resolve.