Who Can Beat Trump?

[Bob Butler 54]

(08-22-2018, 03:35 AM)Galen Wrote:

(08-21-2018, 10:13 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: The Dims have been out to lunch for quite some time now.  I've not considered them to be a serious party in ages, and their establishment is even more out to lunch than the laity.

Do the Dims have more than sheer outrage at Trump to offer?  So far, after the last two years the answer seems to be no.  In the end people will look at their wallet and decide if they are better off.  Judging from how certain demographics are reacting it may be that many are coming to the conclusion that the Dims do not have anything to offer.

It is clear that we are in a fourth turning and it seems that the usual rules are breaking down which is to be expected in a Fourth Turning.  It would not be surprising if Trump is recognized as a necessary disruption to the status quo in the future.

I do see everybody ready to rule as if they have a mandate when they do not have one.  Trump got a minority of the votes.  Obama did not do much better.  Yet both went right to the extreme parts of their parties agenda and tried to rule from it.  The result is to flip the see saw.  They take the Supreme Court, give away Congress, and the other party often gets the White House sooner or later.

Both parties try to rule their part of the country and hope that gets them support, but instead they get eaten up.  Neither party has tried ruling the whole country.

Now, this thread is about who is going to fact Trump in 2020, but if you believe CNN and the coastal blue media, Trump will be long gone by then.  The Democrats are going to be facing maybe Pence and the more Establishment figures of Congress.  Now, the Republican Establishment did not do so well against Trump.  The middle of the country proved it was able to elect a President that talked a Tea Party anti establishment line.  If Trump is gone, which is a real possibility, it might be Sarah Palin or some other Trump like politician who will tell the base what they want to hear.  The question is weather someone competent is willing to sell their soul and say the right things, and whether Trump's base will actually believe him.

I see both political medias as telling mostly truth, but spinning like crazy.  Will they carefully select stories to tell and how much emphasis to give each one?  Absolutely.  Do they lie outright?  Less so.  It may be the politicians that lie.

One can admire the Republicans for rejecting their establishment, but their outsider is as establishment and as crooked as they come.  Will any Democrat at heart lean far enough to the center to pick up the red dissatisfied?  So far I haven't seen it.