Who Can Beat Trump?

[Kinser79]

(08-22-2018, 07:32 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: His function in history may be to do so many things wrong that he allows subsequent politicians to say "That's what Trump did" as a quick and easy rejection. Most significantly he will be a model of demagoguery, and left-wing demagoguery is as hazardous as right-wing demagoguery.

Possibly, but that same function could be applied to any President. Obama, Trump, Nixon, even Washington. I fail to see your point here. Do you even have a point? Probably not but such is life.

Quote:I do not have a pet project from the Awakening Era to revive.

I find that in itself to be highly suspect. Just about every Boomer here has a pet project from the 2T that they are after. Eric wants to instutute a New Age Dark Age for example. You seem to be on the "I'm a victim, give me free shit" line. That you do not recognize that you have a pet project does not mean you don't have one.

Quote:I think we all recognize that Awakening ways are completely irrelevant in a time in which our whole political heritage is in jeopardy. And I do not mean the game show. Survival comes before "peace, love, and dope".

Personally I would welcome it, if boomers left their pet projects to ending wars, having promiscuous sex and taking drugs. The problem is that they don't..or at least the ones who survived into elderhood either smoked so much LDS that their brains are completely fried (see Eric) or were never involved with peace, love, or dope to start with.

(08-22-2018, 05:21 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: I saw a severe gap in the logical argument, not so much an absence of supporting data but instead a presumption of truth of what the source wanted to believe.

In other words you didn't read the source. You just proclaimed it to be crackpot nonsense sight unseen. I on the other hand read the post in question. I've also followed this particular blogger and he's right. If the GOP can capture but 21% of the black vote they shut the Dims out as a national party in perpetuity.

Quote:One person with a self-selected group of associates. Did I say that things were getting worse, statistically, for blacks? Commuting twenty miles from a bad section of town to a near-minimum-wage job in Suburbia is a hardship, but it implies an improvement. I could make a case for such jobs as first jobs -- that they teach good work habits, that they are often intense work that allows one to be so busy that one cannot brood, that they don't pay enough to tempt one to go deep into debt to participate in "Affluenza", and that the work might be diverse enough that one can figure out the areas in which one might specialize.

That data is ancedotal to one Black community, in one state in one region--one that actually has a history of Jim Crow I might add. Suffice it to say things are not getting worse for blacks. There is lower black unemployment, full stop. There is lower black crime, full stop. There is a gradual increase in black wealth, full stop.


Are the black petty-bourgeoisie and withe petty-bourgeoisie equal on those economic terms? No. But I would argue that is due largely to integration destroying most of the black bourgeoisie and petty-bourgeoisie in the 1960s and 1970s. Which incidentally was a Dimocrat project and not a Republican one.

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Quote:If blacks have gaining in economics, it is because of such attributes as better education, dedication on the job (even on 'bad' jobs), greater mobility (commuting from poor sectors of cities to the suburbs where jobs are), and starting businesses. Such has nothing to do with politics.

These explanations have nothing to do with politics. It's personal behavior, and a recognition that Whitey doesn't cut any breaks. Obey Whitey's rules, or your life might go from awful to horrific.

You are responding to yourself you know that right? Suffice it to say that if one lives in a majority white country (like the US) one has to follow Whitey's rules or face the consequences. The same is true in Black Majority countries. That being said, the South African experience indicates that blacks are less tolerant of minorities than whites are.

Quote:On the whole, big gains from the Jim Crow era, with allowances for economic downturns and upswings. The improvement is from a much worse position than that of white people in the same urban areas.

Not quite. Many Blacks are and have been for a long time on the lower level of educational and economic attainment. Some of this is due to historical circumstance to be sure--people from poor families tend over time to be poor. That being said, if we do suppose that there is racial bias against blacks that doesn't exists for latinos then the greater the number of latinos available to take those lower level jobs and positions that blacks would otherwise occupy would go to them.


Personally I don't believe this to be the case. Rather, I think it has to do with the fact that blacks, by and large, are citizens and know their labor rights whereas large numbers of illegal latino aliens either don't or don't want to make a fuss for fear of ICE. If anything greater enforcement of border controls helps all workers--it just tends to help black workers the most. A happy coincidence.

Quote:In my experience, and my understanding of history, the Left-Right divide is largely between debtors (Left) and creditors (Right).

Typically this is true but not always. After all currently the Left in the US consists of the very poor and the very rich together against everyone who is kinda-sorta in the middle. In a republic with small-d-democratic institutions this does not bode well for the current left. Surely I do not have to explain how bell curves work.

Quote:Note well that the ten-year-old jalopy has a schedule of payments on it that practically assures that its 'owner' will never pay it off before it dies.

Anyone who finances a 10 year old jalopy is a fool and deserves to be taken to the cleaners. Most such vehicles can be purchased for around 1000 dollars, and that money is easily saved by all but the most spend thrift. I should know my son bought a similar jalopy for around that and paid for it in cash with savings from the local Wendy's where he worked during high school.


So one of three things must be clear, either my son is some sort of financial genius, or you know some exceptionally stupid people, or you're making shit up. I'm going with the last one. I know my son isn't a financial genius, and you'd have to leave the house to know anyone including the exceptionally stupid. Occam's razor shaves thinly once again.


I'm not going to bother responding to a bullshit proposal....so.

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Quote:Do not be confused, Maxine Waters does not speak for Black People. I'm not even sure she speaks for the Black People in her own district seeing as she doesn't even reside in her district.

40 million people, whose skin color ranges from near-white to jet-black, whose attainments in life can be from being on death row to being Barack Obama or Neil de Grasse Tyson, who are in all classes except the "upper out-of-sight" of families with several generations of large, inherited wealth or the reputation of such?


Maxine Waters no more speaks for black people than Donald Trump speaks for white people.

Actually there are quite a few black millionaires and billionaires. I would imagine that these would be the "upper out-of-sight" people you refer to. I just call them rich.


And no Donald Trump doesn't speak for white people. But considering the electoral college he seems to speak for the majority of people in the majority of the states. That is good enough.

Quote:Nothing to do with my ethnic identity (English, German, Swiss, Welsh, Scots, French, Dutch, Irish, Belgian, Danish, and Norwegian from the time of American settlement... and some mysteries. Some ancestors may have had a good cause to hide an ancestor at one time, and I have no idea what is hidden. If I ever get around to taking one of those DNA tests, I will put the results in this Forum. Maybe not this thread.

Are you naturally clueless or do you work at it? My point is that you cannot know anything of the black experience not being black. You may or may not (and actually probably don't as you remind me of those whites who are inadvertently racist while claiming to "have black friends") have an intellectual understanding of it--but can never have an experiential understanding.


For a large number of blacks Trump was someone who they aspired to be like--even though he is white, indeed in spite of him being white--and remains so. Claims by CNN and et al of his supposed racism not withstanding. It sure seems funny to me that a man in the public eye for forty years only suddenly becomes a racist when he decides to run for president. Coincidence? I don't think so. If it looks like a smear campaign, and acts like a smear campaign chances are it actually is a smear campaign.

Quote:Central Park jogger. Donald Trump called for the death penalty for a non-capital offense before there was a conviction. He played up the 'racial' overtones then.

Sauce then we'll talk. As far as I'm aware of he called for the death penalty for someone who raped a Central Park jogger. Rape is pretty much universially considered a heinous crime. Also whites can be lynched too so no racial over tones no matter what the lugenpresse says.

Quote:Yes, he is a property developer... and he has sold off properties for cash. He is lucky to have been able to buy in cheap, when New York City was a mess, and lease out dear. He is fortunate that he is not a developer and landlord in such a place as Detroit or St. Louis.

No he would have sold out quickly and moved on to other pastures. Unlike NYC Detroit based its economy on a single industry. As for St. Louis only sections of the city are terrible. The region it is in as a whole has been on decline for several decades though.


As such I can only conclude that your main quibble about Trump's businesses is that he has been rather successful at them. I imagine that were I white as well as right leaning you'd get on your high horse about my successes. I recently bought out the donut shop I worked at from the previous owners (they had to liquidate some bad debts and I had the capital to take advantage). So far I've increased productivity and profit margins 3%. Mostly by eliminating lot of wasteful overhead in management.


Since I know you don't know shit about restaurants, the average profit of a profitable restaurant is 5%, I'm getting 8% which means I'm essentially making twice the profit of other restaurants of similar category. I'll probably never be a billionaire but if I can make my first million by 50 I'll consider myself successful.

Quote:No -- it is often the result of redlining in the past which kept blacks out of 'desirable' neighborhoods that had potential for appreciation. Also, blacks are much less likely to have any inherited advantage in economics -- even the most successful blacks have more typically than is the case for whites, started with nothing or nearly nothing. Check the demographics.

No. Redlining essentially was a refusal by lenders to lend money to persons residing in certain districts. If a potential creditor refuses to lend you money then you can't owe them money that you didn't borrow. More pernicious was charging higher interest rates to blacks of similar credit ratings, requiring larger down payments and so forth.


As to why desirable neighborhoods are desirable...well...as racist as it may sound no one wants to live around niggers. I certainly don't and I'm as black as the ace of spades. Need I point out again the work of Chris Rock?

Quote:People in the Trump cult, of course. You need to get out more.

Nope. Billy boy got #MeToo-ed already. HRC was never popular. And if you listen to any old black man you have around you'll hear "Sheeit, dat Obama done fucked it up for us. We ain't gonna have a black prezodent for at least fifty years. Motherfucker didn't do nothing bout getting folks back to work just threw some food stamps at them like that would solve the problem."


Incidentally that quoted passage was said by my own Uncle who regularly calls me a honkey loving uncle tom ass coon.

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Quote:Manufactured outrage against Trump mostly just exists on the Tee-Vee and I would argue largely constituted of Dimocrat Mouth Pieces and professional malcontents. Those of us who have to get on with day to day activities such as raising the kids, working and paying the taxes at worst see Trump as more of the same.

Oh, the plain-folks fallacy at work.

Nope. The plain folks who have jobs and kids and what not don't care if the President slept with every whore in Washington, Bill Clinton proved that. What they care about is bread, gas in the car, and putting shoes in the feet of their brats. If a 4T is about survival then those issues take precedent over if Trump actually grabbed anyone by the pussy in a manner that they didn't like, or said nigger.


The outrage over Trump is almost entirely 3T in character and is completely post-seasonal. Perhaps you don't know what season you're in, but I do.