Who Can Beat Trump?

[Eric the Green]

(09-20-2018, 10:15 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(09-20-2018, 06:44 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(09-20-2018, 04:37 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(09-20-2018, 01:07 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 07:19 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Blue is only a color on a network TV map on election day for any state that votes Democratic, whether those Democrats are your traditional ones or not. These days, judges are being appointed by Republicans who will take away our rights to vote, speak, demonstrate, strike, have a union, have a decent environment, have rights as consumers, have rights as workers, love whom we wish without restrictions.

Democrats (all blues) don't want communism or dictatorship, and they don't want rule by bosses. You on the red side want rule by bosses. 

When the blues finally take power again after 40 years of abject regression, we will put back the assault weapons ban and other reasonable gun controls. We will raise taxes on the wealthy. We will cut unnecessary spending, especially on war, but in all areas, and balance the budget. We will require energy and car companies and all industries to put out products that do not harm the environment and the climate we depend on. We will ensure net neutrality. We will protect and encourage unions and consumer rights. We will prevent the banking speculators from ruining our economy, and put financial criminals in jail. We will enforce and extend anti-trust laws and prevent big mergers not in the peoples' interest. We will stop unnecessary oil wars. We will protect women's rights and LBGTQ rights and make sure all qualified citizens can vote. We will restore real democracy from the moneyed interests and the gerrymanders. We will make sure police respect black lives, and correct abuses in the criminal justice system that put too many innocent people in prison. We will protect social security and ensure an adequate welfare system that protects us from capricious bosses that fire people for no reason. We will raise the minimum wage, restore overtime and shorter working hours, and make sure that all people benefit from the machines that do our work, not just the owners of the machines. We will make sure corporate boards have worker and community representatives with real power. We will pack and reform the courts if necessary to achieve these aims, because the courts do not represent and were not appointed by the majority of Americans, but by an outdated system of minority rule. We will create a fair trade world economy. We will make our country truly great, instead of the laughing stock of the world as it is now. If you reds want a war over all of that, then that's your choice. We will defeat you.

The blues have never really had power over anyone other than the poor who don't have the freedom to do anything but vote for a blue and hope for the best as far as getting something back in return for their voting effort like a higher minimum wage for the jobs that they tend to do for a living. A higher wage for a job that will most likely no longer exist after the law is passed. The blues are going have to figure out a way to do something about the freedom to say fuck that, I'm closing the doors and accepting the offer previously made by group of multi millionaires and getting out of this fucked up place. The blues may claim that a communist like system isn't what they want. However, a communist like system is what they need to control our freedoms. I've always said, your biggest issue is our freedoms.

Freedoms?  I want nothing to do with the freedom to be a wage slave for that fucking shithead Bezos.
https://www.salon.com/2014/03/16/amazons..._this_way/

His sweatshops are in dire need of molotov cocktails!  Just burn 'em down.

Well, that's your freedom as we say.

Would you like to work for Bezos or for that matter Walfart?  I also want the freedom to do weed. Is that OK with you? Sessions is such a square you know.

As for the subject matter of this thread, who can beat Trump.  To me Trump presents a mixed record.  I fully support him for bricking free trade with tariffs. He just needs to do that some more and slap some tariffs on electronic crap like Ishits. I also like his position on immigration. More immigrants = lower wages. Finally, I like it that he's bricking the "Liberal World Order." His positions on taxes, health care, and being in bed with fundies and Israel sucks though.

Democrats need to chuck SJW's and open borders.  They also need to stop with the Russia,Russia,Russia stuff. Israel and multinationals interfere in our elections far more than Russia. Democrats also need to sign up for single payer health care and higher taxes on fat cats. IOW, Bernie Sanders is the way to go.  Stupid Hillary cheated him out, so shame, shame on the DNC for doing shat crap.

Well, to the extent that you agree with Trump, to that degree you have a mixed record

Wages are too low, and that's not the kind of freedom we need; agreed. But more immigrants does not = lower wages, when it's the kind of immigration Trump is stopping, you understand. Poor Mexicans are not going to drive down wages in jobs that residents of the USA don't do anyway. Trump wants a "merit based" immigrant system, which means he wants the kind of high-skilled immigrants from India and Europe that took away your job. I know nuance may not be your thing, but when it comes to what's best for our country and our people, sometimes it is needed.

Be careful about agreeing with the Drump! Social justice is a good thing, and Obama made a great point in his Sept.7 speech. Democrats need to appeal to everybody, and ask for every vote, not just white working class voters who voted for Trump, and not just ethnic/gender/LGBTQ voters. "I don't buy that" he said. We can't dismiss what others have to say just because they have certain characteristics.

https://youtu.be/sHAkDTlv8fA?t=41m50s




Russia Russia Russia is a good thing too. I hope it works to discredit him and lose him votes in the midterms. That's about all it's likely to do. Trump is really screwing up the tariffs. I thought I might agree with him on that too, but he is just creating problems with his reckless approach, putting tariffs on by fiat on first world countries. I don't think his heavy-handed approach will work. He's supposed to be a deal-maker, but I don't see it happening.

Hillary didn't cheat, or do anything wrong. Regardless of that nonsense, Bernie Sanders may be the way to go, but can he beat the Drum(p)? I have my doubts. That's the question of this thread. His horoscope score as I read it is no longer better than Trump's, and the new moon before election favors the incumbent, but with caveats. So I think McAuliffe, Landrieu, or maybe Sherrod Brown are better choices. They have higher scores than the Drump. Sanders may well be nominated, if he's feeling up to running at 78-79 years old. I would not predict him to lose, but I could not predict him to win.

http://philosopherswheel.com/presidentialelections.html