Who Can Beat Trump?

[Classic-Xer]

(09-22-2018, 02:46 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(09-22-2018, 12:28 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: What's my worldview? I assume that you know what it is or at least think you do. So, lay it out for me to see and read and determine whether its accurate or not. I know you tend to bounce around quite a bit with your use of worldview. The way one sees the world and knows it,  is a pretty good filter for one to use and others to go by don't you think. I've used the word heaven to describe your worldview. According to my worldview, we do not live in heaven and therefore your worldview does not apply to the world that we live in and doesn't belong in real life discussions. Now, I'm not rejecting heaven, I'm simply stating the reality that we ain't even close to being there yet and there isn't an amount of money that can be raised and spent to get us there tomorrow. So, you might as well give up the dream and hope Jesus is kind enough to let you in when your time comes.

Hmm.  Good question.

I think you are reddish.  You described in the past the Trump Base as simplistic, thus It seems improper to call you red, but much of the time, for most issues, I expect you to lean heavily red.

You cannot seem to see the difference between Democrats and communists.  In my view, that is easy, is basic.  Agricultural Age autocratic cultures are set on one pattern, while Industrial Age Enlightenment democracies are set in another.  I see the S&H crises and cycles as showing how cultures evolve.  In each crisis we might implement rights, reject kings, reject slavery, reject fascism, etc…  The process is incremental.  I see there being different threads involving different civilizations.  The Anglo-Americans are different from the French, are different from China, are different from the Middle East.  Each civilization finds its own way to move from the autocratic to a democracy.  It is an ugly, tedious process involving multiple wars, centuries and crises.  In some ways you seem capable of seeing it, but it sure is not the same way I do if you can’t tell an autocracy from a democracy.

In Christian tradition, heaven is perfect.  I don’t think in terms of perfection, but in terms of erasing flaws.  They may be big flaws: kings, slavery, capitalist elites, not taking care of the Earth, etc…. That makes the progress real, the effort as perpetual, incremental.

As usual, the conservatives and you are trying to stop progress.  There is usually an elite class which uses some method to maintain a too strong division of wealth in their favor.  There is often an opposing elite class, who make their profits off a newer technology, who feel a need to have their political clout match the new wealth.  Thus, they step on the old elite class hard.  Among other things, the new elite class promises the People more rights, equality, democracy, etc…. Kind of them.  Not.  Yet the People remember the promises, and the new stuff becomes real.

Through most of the turnings, it is possible to halt progress.  The advantage in different ways goes to those who want to hold still.  Eventually the changes in technology and environment keep building and explode.  Those are the days of change.  Generally the change is much more profound than anticipated.

As a reddish person, I do not anticipate you as able to perceive the need for change.  Long ago, some conservatives believed kings were selected by God and wielded His authority.  Long ago, some thought all civilization was built on the cornerstone of slavery, that slavery was the natural order.  It is really easy to see that by the new values, the old conservatives were immoral, flawed.  It is harder to see that, yourself demonstrating it, when the shifting values are todays.  It seems OK to destroy the Earth.  It seems fine to care more about People with your skin pigmentation, and reject the notion of all men being created equal.  Continuing the way things have always been done seems the correct way of doing things to many conservatives, and that is a disease I see you as sharing.

I guess that is the most important thing.  I expect you to be blind, to not see what it is not convenient for you to see, to let your greed overcome your vision.

I lean Republican. I'm reddish as you say. So, you assume my world is reddish or Republican leaning. Wow. That's impressive for a liberal. Well, I did better than that. You didn't respond to the portion of the post pertaining to our worldviews and the difference between them and why yours is rejected. I'm getting the impression that what I say or write doesn't mean as much as what you have to say or write. One straight forward, simple question that you could not answer and a long winded response about other stuff tells us what about you Bob. Bob you don't really deserve my attention, you deserve efforts, you don't deserve the time spent reading your posts or the time spent writing quality responses. The BLUES are damn near on their own at this point. The big battle you are fighting now was already won several years ago in what was then the old 4T when an odd red poster showed up and did business the old fashioned way. Get ready because the insults and the nasty terms are coming your way and the blues deserve everything that's coming their way.