Let's Tell-all about Tulsi

[Eric the Green]

(01-29-2020, 09:30 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(01-29-2020, 01:03 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-28-2020, 07:09 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(01-27-2020, 03:23 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-26-2020, 05:44 AM)Marypoza Wrote: Eric--Younger generations love Tulsi, you say, but why does she only get 2% or less in the polls for the Democratic primary? 

 -- bcuz younger generations typically don't get polled. Pollsters tend 2 call landlines, Millies generally don't have landlines. There sample #s are rediculously small- 500, 700 or so ppl out of a nation of 330 million? Seriously? Their #s tend 2 skew 50+ yo. Then there's the poll parameters- some only poll Dems. So if u say no I'm not a Dem they say ok thanx,click. Then there's the framing of the questions- like asking a dude who's never beaten his wife, when did u stop beating your wife. The questions r multiple choice & the responses generally do not include an other or none of the above category bcuz the pollsters want 2 4ce their respondents 2 answer within certain defined parameters. This is when l usually hang up on the pollster. My answer doesn't fit in2 any of their boxes, they insist that I change it 2 fit in2 1 of their boxes, l see we're @ an impasse, & so I hang up. Bcuz my survey is then incomplete, my polling data is lost. So this is why the only polls I trust r the 1s held on certain Tuesdays of this year.

All that said, Tulsi does better in online polls. Millies, who r already online, can vote in these polls. So can independents, who seem 2 like Tulsi. I've seen Tulsi poll as high as 7-8% in some of these polls. Still single digits, but higher than Amy K. I'm interested in seeing how well Tulsi- & Yang, & Tom Steyer, & Bernie 4 that matter- do in the open primaries where Indies can vote. I'm guessing Bernie's gonna blow them away but Tulsi & the others could do well too

I follow the polls, elections and the news, and I find the polls generally credible. I follow these things so I can make my predictions. I know when they are off, and by how much. The only poll that uses mostly landlines is the biased Rasmussen poll. The polls are not  accurate for the whole campaign; just as a snapshot of a sample. But Tulsi has never been higher than about 2% in all the polls during the last year. She does have some candidate skills and appeal; I give her that. Probably her support is strongest among young people. But her foreign policy and other mistakes have cost her dearly, and she doesn't have enough qualifications yet to be president or veep. I would not count her out in the future if she wises up, admits her mistakes, starts to rely on facts, and achieves greater experience and status. But I am not at all confident that she can do all of that.

Quote:Me, earlier-- Tulsi certainly is right about it being partisan. Ms Nancy could of started impeachment proceedings against the Donald 4 any # of offenses committed over the last 2 years. Hell  she could of started impeachment proceedings against dubya 4 war crimes when she had the chance. But noooooo (q the l8 gr8 John Bulushi) impeachment was always "off the table"".... until the Donald went after Groper Joe. Then she wants 2 impeach. But she withholds the articles til "after the election". Until Bernie surges in2 1st place. So then she sends the articles 2 the Senate, forcing Bernie 2 go 2  DC 4 a trial. & having 2 charter a jet 2 get 2 his events when it's not in session. This political af. Tulsi was smart & probably prescient not 2 get any of this shit on her

& there u go with that Assad crap again. Tulsi has denounced Assad since she returned home her fact finding mission w/homeboy Dennis. Meanwhile most of these candidates, Bernie excepted, stand w/Bibi, who is way more dangerous than Assad could ever hope 2b. Assad is a pisspot. New reports have come out that he didn't even use the sarin gas. Bibi otoh, authorizes genocide every gd mofo day. Yet he always gets a pass. Gimme a mofo break

Tulsi praised Putin for his war crimes against Syrians. She even persisted in the debate in calling Assad's genocidal war a war of US regime change. She did not let up at all. She is doubling down on her lie about a monster who has killed 500,000 people and chased millions out of their homes and country and caused right-wing fascism to rise in Europe and America. Netanyahu has not killed 500,000 people. His body count is nowhere near as high. That may be just circumstance. Netanyahu is corrupt, racist, murderous and thuggish and I don't give him a pass at all. He is dangerous if he attacks Iran. But I don't see that Netanyahu is relevant to Tulsi's lies.

There was certainly credible evidence of Assad's gas attacks, and I don't believe the conspiracy theories that say otherwise. But the gas attacks pale in comparison to the total scope of Assad's and Putin's war crimes. Assad is by far the worst monster of our time.

The only impeachment trial in US history that is NOT partisan is the one against Drumpface.

Quote:we need 2 vote Bernie 2 oust him in Nov don't we?

Yes.

-- sorry it's taken me a bit long 2 reply Eric, but l wanted 2 get a few receipts 1st. According to NYT  2day Tulsi got @ least 5% in 2 polls but doesn't say which 2

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019...ineup.html

she actually did qualify 4 the Dec Debate but the DNC threw 1 of those polls out even though it had been previously counted 4 other candidates

https://www.theepochtimes.com/gabbard-ac...61373.html

here is Tulsi denouncing Assad:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/01/politics/...index.html

Tulsi on Bibi:

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2019/04...bbard.html

speaking of Bibi & passes, here's Bibi giving Hitler a pass:

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/22/world...icism.html

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/neta...-1.5411578

l thought the reports about Assad not using sarin gas were more recent but these are the most recent l could find- about anything concerning Assad & sarin gas. So unless u consider Newsweek & the Associated Press conspiracy theorists...

https://www.newsweek.com/wheres-evidence...ple-810123

https://apnews.com/bd533182b7f244a4b771c73a0b601ec5


so Vlad the Impuppeteer is interfering in the Syrian Civil War. That doesn't mean we should as well. it's an f-ing civil war Eric. We should stay out of it. that's what Tulsi meant when she referred 2 it as a regime change war, assuming u want the Govt 2 go in & take out Assad. That would be regime change. if the Govt did take out Assad, who should they replace him with? I believe the opposition 2 the Syrian govt is IS isn't it? they're monsters as well. 6 of 1 & 1/2 dozen of another. Assad may be a monster as u say, but l sincerely doubt he's responsible 4 right fascism in Europe & America. We have our own homegrown wingnuts 2 answer 4 that, starting with the Donald. 

l'm glad u don't give Bibi a pass Eric, but you're not running the f-ing Govt. Those idiots r giving Bibi an f-ing pass. My point about Bibi is that he's way more dangerous than Assad (Bibi has nukes, Assad don't) authorizes & abets genocide on a daily basis, & the Govt aids & abets him & Bibi's corrupt af

Bibi is not way more dangerous than Assad. Yes Bibi is corrupt as f and has nukes and has killed thousands in Gaza and the West Bank. He and Trump are busy annexing Palestine. But Bibi is not relevant to the discussion of Tulsi, Assad, Putin and Obama and Tulsi's foreign policies. You are throwing him in here, even though we don't disagree about him.

Assad is a monster who has killed 500,000 people. Tulsi doubled down on her lie during the debate we all heard, saying the Syrian civil war is a US war of regime change. She approved of Putin's bombing of innocent civilians in Syria, which is a severe war crime. She approved of Obama's drone attacks. I have posted all these facts on this thread already.

Yes, we should stay out of Syria. But we were never in Syria, never proposed to invade and never proposed to throw him out by force of arms. Tulsi said we were in Syria, quite literally. It is her fantasy, and people believe it. Giving aid to rebels rising for freedom which they ask us for is not "involvement" in the war. It is valuable assistance against a genocidal tyrant murdering his people by the hundreds of thousands. 

The War in Syria started in 2011 with the people rising up for freedom in the Arab Spring. Reports of this mass movement for freedom, and protests against Assad's do-nothing policies in response to severe climate change-imposed drought, were broadcast by AP and other legit sources all over the world. Before long Assad was running them over with tanks and bombing them, just because they spoke out. The people formed the Free Syrian Army in response and fought bravely, and were on the verge of overthrowing the monster. They asked the US for aid, but none came. So some jihadis came in to help them instead. Assad promptly branded all the rebels as terrorists, and Tulsi believed him. After chemical attacks, Obama held off on this "red line" crossing by Assad in Summer 2013 and did nothing, but a phony program overseen by Russia to remove chemical weapons was carried out in response to Obama's threats. The US finally gave the rebels some aid, but it was too little too late. Meanwhile the Russians and Iranians and Hezbollah came into Syria with guns and bombs blazing. The tide turned as Assad and Putin bombed the whole country and chased out most of its people.  Trump and western allies finally launched a few bombs on government sites in response to further chemical attacks. Nothing changed.

Assad is responsible directly for the rise of fascism in Europe and America. He didn't create it, but he mightily stoked it, by unleashing hundreds of thousands if not millions of refugees fleeing Assad into these countries. It was the justification and reason for Trump's travel bans against Muslim countries. Today's refugee crisis, of which the Syrian refugees are the largest component, is the greatest refugee crisis and mass movement of peoples ever in history, and I predicted it decades in advance for this period in history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douma_chemical_attack

What happened?

"Three months after the attack, the OPCW released its interim report into what happened in Douma. The report found no evidence of organophosphorus nerve agents like sarin either at the site or in samples from the casualties — something of a surprise, because the suspected use of sarin had been one of the justifications for American airstrikes back in April, and alleged Syrian chemical weapons facilities their primary target. But the investigators did find something else. In the aftermath of the attack, video shot by gas mask-clad activists had fastened on the two yellow gas canisters: one lying on a bed, filmed on April 8 by Douma Revolution, and the second perched on a top-floor balcony and apparently recorded the following evening by the White Helmets. The OPCW located both those cylinders, one at the apartment block and the other in a different building nearly a kilometer away. Samples collected at both locations turned up “various chlorinated organic chemicals” along with “the residues of explosive” — not quite the same thing as saying that chlorine had been used as a chemical weapon, but evidence that seemed to head in that direction. In its final report, we might expect the OPCW to make a more conclusive judgement."

https://theintercept.com/2019/02/09/doum...nce-syria/

Let's stick to facts, not fake news and propaganda from any side.

-- what fake news?

Apparently the first gas attack in 2013 was saran gas. The second was chlorine, not saran. The fake news and propaganda comes from both sides. From the rebels, that the second attack was saran. From Assad and his apologists like Tulsi that the attacks did not happen or were caused by the rebels.

The article makes my point and seeks to clear up the distortions.