Read through some of the stuff posted by NobodyImportant, but my confusion is, aren't Civic Generations meant to be at least somewhat one-minded and idealistic? Look back to the 20th Century, and we find Hitler Youth G.I.s and the 1930s Workers' Movements, they were one-minded and 'idealist' in their own ways just like the contemporary Far-Left and Far-Right are. If you look at Fascism and the way Socialism played out back then also, there wasn't a lot of freedom of thought involved, it was very much 'my way or the highway', with the highway being the gulag or the gas chamber.
Go back another turning and look at the United States and you have Abolitionist radicals pushing to abolish slavery, which was a staple of Southern economics at that time, and many before that would have considered it a farce for the system to work any other way. A lot of the ideas Gen Y / the Millennials come up with are considered farcical in their non-diluted sense, such as the original Green New Deal plan, but the reasoning behind it is similar to the revolutionary concepts of previous Fourth Turnings, there contains a hope of creating a better, more humanitarian system through radical change.
If you want freedom of thought and liberty, maybe Idealist Generations such as the Boomers are more your style, I feel like Civics are the polar opposite of this, we tend to be absolutist and use that as a vehicle to solve malingering issues that the other Generational Archetypes wouldn't have the capacity to fix. Unfortunately, without everyone being on the same page, or worse, split evenly between two pages, this absolutism can create enough friction to spark warfare, which is likely why the conclusions of many Fourth Turnings tend go off with a literal bang.
Oh and about Gen Z also, are you talking about the people born around 1995-2004? Because if you think the dreamer spirit has died with those people and that they've all gone back to humble negotiations and mundane practicality on political issues, I think you should remember the Parkland Movement and Greta Thunberg's mission to save the planet. Some of those young people have their hopes set so high it is even giving Gen Y pause, and they are not pulling any punches. Do you see the likes of David Hogg wanting to find a reasonable middle ground with the NRA? No way, and 16 year old Greta Thunberg won't even let her mother fly on airplanes from what I've heard. If anything, they are more absolutist then Gen Y, and we haven't even seen them enter politics yet alongside folks like AOC.
Go back another turning and look at the United States and you have Abolitionist radicals pushing to abolish slavery, which was a staple of Southern economics at that time, and many before that would have considered it a farce for the system to work any other way. A lot of the ideas Gen Y / the Millennials come up with are considered farcical in their non-diluted sense, such as the original Green New Deal plan, but the reasoning behind it is similar to the revolutionary concepts of previous Fourth Turnings, there contains a hope of creating a better, more humanitarian system through radical change.
If you want freedom of thought and liberty, maybe Idealist Generations such as the Boomers are more your style, I feel like Civics are the polar opposite of this, we tend to be absolutist and use that as a vehicle to solve malingering issues that the other Generational Archetypes wouldn't have the capacity to fix. Unfortunately, without everyone being on the same page, or worse, split evenly between two pages, this absolutism can create enough friction to spark warfare, which is likely why the conclusions of many Fourth Turnings tend go off with a literal bang.
Oh and about Gen Z also, are you talking about the people born around 1995-2004? Because if you think the dreamer spirit has died with those people and that they've all gone back to humble negotiations and mundane practicality on political issues, I think you should remember the Parkland Movement and Greta Thunberg's mission to save the planet. Some of those young people have their hopes set so high it is even giving Gen Y pause, and they are not pulling any punches. Do you see the likes of David Hogg wanting to find a reasonable middle ground with the NRA? No way, and 16 year old Greta Thunberg won't even let her mother fly on airplanes from what I've heard. If anything, they are more absolutist then Gen Y, and we haven't even seen them enter politics yet alongside folks like AOC.