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Cycles of the 4T
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(01-03-2019, 07:13 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote:
(01-02-2019, 07:40 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: That's true, and I would add that from the American point of view, most of what became the American system of law and government was well on its way to being established, and the Revolution was mostly just a defense against an attack by the English king who wanted to restore old-style autocracy upon the colonies. It was an external hot war, an invasion by Britain of America; an invasion of British soldiers on American lands, which included a lot of German invaders as well (the Hessians). The French became our ally, in what was really one of the 9 world wars.

I am intrigued. We always hear of two. Tell me about the other seven!

They were really European wars, but for European mindsets, Europe was the world, right? And to an extent, it was, because the Europeans were in the process of taking over the world, a mission that began in circa 1400 and was completed in circa 1900. So the wars were often fought in the colonies too.

So let's see if I can remember them all, going backwards. 

The Wars of the French Revolution and Napoleonic Wars, 1792-1815. (sometimes this is divided between the two parts, but I don't really go along with that)
The Wars of the American Revolution, 1775-1783.
The Seven Years War, 1756-1763. (French and Indian War in America)
The Wars of the Austrian Succession, 1740s
The Wars of the Spanish Succession, 1688 to 1715. (King William's War in America, during the Glorious Revolution Crisis era)
Sometimes this is broken up into two wars, with the Wars of the Grand Alliance or League of Augsburg dated 1688-1697 and the Spanish Succession War 1701 to 1715.
The 30 Years War, 1618-1648.

So including both halves of the Glorious Crisis wars, and the two 20th century world wars, that's 9.

Often the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648 which ended the wars of religion is seen as setting the stage for the succeeding era of wars between great allied powers, so the 9 world wars would not include the 30 Years War, and would include both halves of the Glorious Revolutionary and the French Revolutionary wars.

I may have missed one, but we could include the 100 Years War, going back to 1340s to 1453, or the war of the previous 4T crisis, the Spanish Armada Wars in the 1580s.

There are a few others outside Europe mentioned in this article I found too:
https://militaryhistorynow.com/2014/07/2...fore-1914/

And some may include World War Three, aka The Cold War and its hot war proxies. It is assumed we got through this war from 1947 to 1989 without the feared nuclear confrontation usually called "World War Three."

Here's a simple view, showing the names in both Europe and America, and including the two divided-up wars:
https://quizlet.com/48185037/the-nine-9-...ash-cards/

Previous great wars were from the Age of Mars (Bronze Age and early Iron Age, circa 2100 BCE to circa 410 CE), and the Age of Jupiter (the Age of Faith, or Dark Ages/Medieval times). They were not quite the same, for although they involved vast territories and armies, they were wars of conquest by 1 Empire, and in the Age of Faith this became religious imperialism.

The wars of religion from the time of the Reformation in 1517 were during the Renaissance era, and could be described as the Christian civil war, which destroyed The Age of Faith. In the 30 Years War, it became a destructive war involving great powers. I call the age from late Medieval times (circa 1300) to the Revolution (circa 1780s) as the Saturn era, the era of dynastic states as great powers. From 1648 on, the wars were between the great European powers, but without as much religion involved. There was some though, as the French Revolution War was in part caused by the dispute over changes to religion's role in the state which the French Revolutionaries were making to their new constitution.
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Eric M
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Cycles of the 4T - by Arkarch - 11-12-2016, 04:15 PM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Warren Dew - 11-12-2016, 04:27 PM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Warren Dew - 11-12-2016, 06:20 PM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Mikebert - 11-21-2016, 07:12 PM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Arkarch - 12-09-2016, 04:47 AM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Warren Dew - 12-09-2016, 09:14 AM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by radind - 12-09-2016, 09:26 AM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Eric the Green - 12-12-2016, 02:55 AM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by pbrower2a - 12-12-2016, 02:35 PM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Eric the Green - 12-12-2016, 06:16 PM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Marypoza - 11-12-2016, 04:29 PM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Arkarch - 11-12-2016, 04:40 PM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Eric the Green - 11-12-2016, 05:56 PM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by sheridanforbes - 11-13-2016, 12:07 PM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Eric the Green - 11-21-2016, 11:33 AM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by naf140230 - 01-03-2017, 12:53 AM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Emman85 - 11-19-2016, 01:41 AM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Eric the Green - 11-21-2016, 11:27 AM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by 2Legit2Quit - 11-21-2016, 02:23 PM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by disasterzone - 11-21-2016, 12:15 PM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Eric the Green - 11-21-2016, 12:49 PM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by MillennialJim - 11-21-2016, 02:59 PM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Eric the Green - 11-21-2016, 03:21 PM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Galen - 11-21-2016, 04:00 PM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by 2Legit2Quit - 11-21-2016, 04:49 PM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Eric the Green - 11-21-2016, 05:51 PM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Eric the Green - 11-21-2016, 11:05 PM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Odin - 12-09-2016, 07:46 AM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by pbrower2a - 12-09-2016, 10:21 AM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Mikebert - 01-03-2017, 07:13 AM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Arkarch - 01-08-2017, 01:54 AM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Eric the Green - 01-02-2019, 07:40 PM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Bill the Piper - 01-03-2019, 07:13 AM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Eric the Green - 01-04-2019, 03:58 PM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Tim Randal Walker - 07-18-2018, 07:46 PM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Tim Randal Walker - 01-02-2019, 02:55 PM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by pbrower2a - 01-02-2019, 08:05 PM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by pbrower2a - 01-04-2019, 04:05 AM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Hintergrund - 02-06-2019, 11:19 AM
RE: Cycles of the 4T - by Tim Randal Walker - 01-29-2024, 10:30 PM

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