11-15-2016, 03:43 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-15-2016, 03:57 PM by Eric the Green.)
(11-15-2016, 11:51 AM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:(11-14-2016, 11:25 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(11-14-2016, 09:23 PM)gabrielle Wrote:(11-14-2016, 04:05 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: What Galen forgets is the scenario some of us laid out. Trump and Putin buddy buddy. Putin feels he has the green light to invade Ukraine. Trump is not so happy but keeps quiet and allows it. So Putin feels he has the green light to invade Estonia; his buddy-buddy won't mind. Trump has a temper tamtrum and feels betrayed and suddenly patriotic. Trump supports NATO and attacks Russia. His small hands are on the nuclear codes. WWIII.
This is exactly my fear. And seceding from the Union will not save you, Eric.
Why personalize the issue? It's not about me. It's about you too, and all of life on this planet for posterity.
Quote:In fact, the chances of WWIII will increase if the blue states leave and the US becomes increasingly right wing and paranoid.
If CA is left alone, and other blue states are left alone to pursue fully-blue and green policies, maybe secession won't be needed. We'll see. It will take a few years to see where this goes. We'll see what Trump demands from us if he starts a war we don't want too. We don't need the red states. Why should we send them any money?
The USA would be less powerful without California and other blue states. That's a good consideration too. A less powerful USA is less of a threat to the world.
The problem is, blue states may not have any power to influence any decisions in this country. The Supreme Court may be gone, and other courts increasingly packed. The Senate will become more Republican in 2018. It took 6 years before any sort of brake was put on Bush, and it wasn't even enough. How long will it take the people to have buyers' remorse on The Donald? When if ever will America renounce Reaganism? It's taken 36 years already, and the people haven't done what they should have done immediately after electing him. It's total absurdity. We are the laughing stock of the world, and the laughs and the tears just got bigger.
I have a feeling I'll be counting the years that this fluke election of 1980 has still not been reversed until the day I die. What a crock of shit. Well, 36 years and add another 4.
Reaganism or whatever one might want to call it, as it was commonly understood during its 1980s heyday, is sooooooo 2T. That's right, I wrote 2T. His platform was hatched right smack dab in the middle of the 2T. It took him a few tries to get it going. Well, I can't give him complete credit, certain aspects started under Carter. Many people forget that. In any case, although the ideas were hatched during the 2T, they came to full fruition toward the end of the 2T, and they lasted for a good part of the 3T. In any case, it's time to move on. The ideas are over 40 years old.
It's long, long past time, but they were just voted in again. Even disguised a little bit as xenophobia, but it should still be unmistakable. The mystery is why people keep voting for it. Definition of insanity applies.
But you need to recognize, if you don't Mr. X (it's hard to remember your full handle, sir!), that Reaganism IS still the definition of "the Right" in this country. And that's all shades of the Right. And it is thoroughly wedded to the racial dog whistle too; completely. Just read some of what noway and Classic Xer say, for example. It's unmistakable and not hard at all to see.
I should say, the ideas are much, much older than 40 years, of course. First of all, it goes back to Goldwater at the start of the 2T, and Reagan's famous speech for him then. But that was just when it recaptured the Republican Party. It was enshrined in the regimes of the 1920s, and the late 1890s. And it goes back to the Darwinian industrialists who oppressed the workers in 19th century England. Social Darwinism and the Darwinian Theory itself originated from the beliefs of the tycoons in that time. And back to Adam Smith and the physiocrats in the late 18th century. Reaganomics is just a throwback to the past, and that's all it ever was. That's why it's called "classical" and "neo." Of course Gingrich and mean-spirited, ambitious folks like him have been able to get people to believe that these are "ideas," and that the Republicans were the Party of "ideas." Ideas my fucking foot. It's simple regressive, authoritarian nonsense. The worst kind of simple answers and demagoguery. But economic libertarians and most folks in middle America swallow it whole, and vote for it over and over again.