11-15-2016, 05:13 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-15-2016, 07:41 PM by Eric the Green.)
(11-15-2016, 04:51 PM)Odin Wrote:(11-15-2016, 04:09 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(11-15-2016, 03:53 PM)Odin Wrote:(11-15-2016, 11:51 AM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: Reaganism or whatever one might want to call it, as it was commonly understood during its 1980s heyday, is sooooooo 2T. That's right, I wrote 2T. His platform was hatched right smack dab in the middle of the 2T. It took him a few tries to get it going. Well, I can't give him complete credit, certain aspects started under Carter. Many people forget that. In any case, although the ideas were hatched during the 2T, they came to full fruition toward the end of the 2T, and they lasted for a good part of the 3T. In any case, it's time to move on. The ideas are over 40 years old.
No use trying to get Eric to understand this, he is in 100% complete partisan ideological denial that Reaganism is just as much a product of the 2T as the Counterculture.
Uh, Odin, did you read my reply? It not only goes back to the early 80s, but to 1964. Of course it's 2T, but it's also 2T/3T from the last saeculum, and further back......
No, it's not. Reaganism may have latched on to the LANGUAGE of 20s neoliberalsm, and while Reagan himself may have been an admirer of Coolidge, in actuality it is a new beast, tapping into the same distrust of centralized technocratic authority as the Counterculture. Reaganism is not some continuation of age-old conservative small-government-ism, it is the Red complement of the Counterculture and it is just as much a product of the Awakening as the Counterculture. Remember that the whole notion of the "popular tax revolt" started in the 70s.
It's clear that I said that Reaganism was 2T. Now you are bringing in this myth that the counterculture created Reaganism. But Reaganism predated the counterculture, even within the 2T! Some counterculture people I know were duped and bought into the slogans of "freedom" we were mentioning before, but most did not. Most counter-culture people I know were and are environmentalists, and they support government action as well as personal action. Reaganism is another movement. Of course it's "the popular tax revolt" of the 70s. Jarvis-Gann and Prop.13. Know it extremely well. Same thing. Less government, less taxes. Nothing new at all there; all goes back to classical liberalism and laissez faire. Old as the hills.
It is not a new beast at all. You keep pushing that idea, no I will not agree. Yes, some people have been duped to think that it is; no question. The slogans of freedom are powerful. Yes it is all about language, and ONLY language. And no-one who distrusts "centralized technocratic society" would be fooled to think that technocratic corporate bureaucrats and their government stooges like Trump, Reagan or Gingrich really care about "freedom." No, they care about money, and that's all they care about-- something the counterculture DID NOT care about. No, the counterculture was not perfect, but that doesn't make it the cause of Reaganism. Anyone who says the counterculture is Reaganism, is pushing a fraud; no doubt a fraud that duped a number of people, no question about that at all. But it's the fraud, the false slogans, that is the issue.
Laissez faire, neo-liberalism, supply side, Reaganomics, free-market, libertarian, whatever you call it, it's the same damn thing.
http://philosopherswheel.com/freemarket.html
It's notions like this, held by the people arguing with me here, that is the cause of some people not getting the stark reality of what Americans did this Tuesday. Attacking the wrong target will not solve our problems, any more than attacking Iraq solved the problem of Al Queda.
You might not like some of the delusions or ideals of the counter-culture and the new age, Odin, but that's an entirely separate issue, even though both kinds of movements are common in 2Ts and 3Ts.
Here is reaganism and its results:
We're still waiting for that damn trickle. We're waiting for another four years and counting!
Was that you commenting on this video, Odin?
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Biggus Dickus 4 months ago (edited)
Oh the Good Ole Horse-Sparrow theory," 'If you feed the horse enough oats, some will pass through to the road for the sparrows"
LOL