12-24-2016, 04:51 PM
(12-22-2016, 08:33 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:(12-22-2016, 08:23 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(12-22-2016, 07:57 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:(12-22-2016, 05:40 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(12-22-2016, 02:59 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: A significant percentage perhaps a majority of white working people don't give a rat's ass about transgender bathrooms, CO2 footprints, welfare / AFDC, geopolitics, etc. These are the province of more wealthy whites. As the nature of the typical wealthy white shifted from some sort of "Thurston Howell III" stereotype to people like those who attend Democratic political fundraising dinners on Billionaires' Row, the Democrats re-tuned their platforms accordingly. The problem with this is the typical white working stiff in Milwaukee, Detroit, Cleveland, Wheeling, etc, was essentially left behind by this shift.
The only problem with this image is that polls show that wealthy whites overwhelmingly support the Republicans. Meanwhile, many working whites do care about transgender bathrooms and other culture war gimmicks and nostrums, and very much about other scapegoats like welfare and AFDC. They are susceptible to nationalist and militarist rhetoric too, because they have vicarious pride in their nation as the top dog and top bully. This may not be true of white working class folks in the Bay Area, for the most part, but it's certainly true of the majority of middle American white working class folks. The white working stiffs are easy prey for the demogogues who actually represent no-one but the oligarchs who don't care about the people at all.
I like what Sanders is doing and going out into middle America and seeking them out, helping them to see beyond their prejudices and delusions, not by insulting them (as I might do here), but honestly explaining to them who is on who's side, really. It's not ideologues like Galen. It's not Mnuchin or Rockhead Perry or Rex Tillerson or Donald Drumpf. It's people like Bernie who are on their side, and they need to know it. More of this kind of activity will be needed.
Eric, not sure where you are getting this notion that wealthy whites are Reps. Look at Pelosi's district.
Plus I think you misunderstood what I meant about working stiffs not caring about SJW stuff. They don't care for it. It is not their cause.
The worst of them are racists. The better ones are more interested in their economic concerns.
The polls is where I got it. Posted here some time ago.
People in SF have to pay a lot to live there. But most of them are not the wealthy. It's probably true that many of the richest tycoons get the people in middle America to vote for their Republican representatives, but themselves live in blue places like the California Coast, Connecticut, Manhattan penthouses, southern Florida....
The wealthy whites are as Republican as they've ever been. The own the country, and they get their representatives and executives in office because they own the system and deceive the people with racism and slogans of freedom.
Eric, Pelosi's district has almost no poor people in it. It's mostly 1%ers. Why do you think Obama and Clinton were at fundraising dinners on Billionaires' Row? I know someone who made it really big in venture capital. He was at one of the Clinton dinners earlier this year, at one of the mansions there.
No district can be composed mostly of 1%ers, by definition. San Francisco voters are just more enlightened; they have proven that over and over for many decades.
Obama and Hillary Clinton were at fundraisers on Billionaire's Row because that's where the money is, and that's what the system encourages them to do. Hillary did not feel she had enough ability to appeal to the people in order to do what Bernie Sanders did. Obama went the Sanders route for much of his early campaign.
You don't go to billionaires to get votes. You go to them to get money.
The polls are clear, the rich support Republicans. The poor in blue states support Democrats. The poor and middle class in red and many purple states are fooled into supporting Republicans, because the culture war and anti-welfare slogans entrap them.