The Coronavirus

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(05-05-2020, 11:26 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Again, I don’t know why one would expect every crisis to be the same and the sacrifices one must make for the common good be the same.  Where do you get that idea?  Is the Turning Fairy supposed to make it so with her sparkly magic wand?

Yes, most during World War II might have wished themselves back in the late gilded age, but they knew their duty and strove to do it.  That is not yet true of many conservatives in the current crisis.  I don’t know if their unravelling values are particularly more selfish than in the past, but many are declining to adapt the new values.  They still see it as being about themselves, not about the common culture.

Part of it is that COVUS 19 is not as obvious as Pearl Harbor.  They are not aware of turning theory generally, and it is not as obvious that they can’t go back.  Change is coming.  Change is to be expected from a crisis.  But many don’t know it yet.

Given the perspective of history, it would be far better (and far more possible) to go forward through the crisis to the 1950s high rather than back to the 1920s late gilded age.  Again, many are not aware of or ready to embrace the benefits of the sacrifices made in a crisis.

I see the number of people that an infected person infects (the doctors call this number R0) as being a variable rather than a constant.  It depends on the population density of one’s state, one’s age, the degree of isolation one strives for and whether one has to enter a high risk environment such as a hospital, nursing home, meat packing plant or prison.  Even if one washes all these things out and forces R0 to a single average low number, one percent of most everybody is too many according to my values.  

Your values might be different.

Many conservatives take personal comfort to simplifying RO to a single low number, and don’t consider that some people are being forced into a much higher number.

It is not an ignorance or R0 that is important, but how important one considers the implications of R0.  Simply, are you willing to kill grandma for money?

But a lot of it is a hesitancy to do the trial and error.  Some value life.  Some value the economy.  Some such as myself recognize that these are much the same, that you have to cut the deaths before restarting the economy.  Nobody seems ready to restart the economy safely, to put extra precautions in place as one returns to the job.  They insist on the old normal.  

Unlikely.

My values must be more practical/realistic than your values. Reds view death as part of life and reds aren't as afraid of death and accept it better than blues. I assume that economics are no longer a reality/concern for most blues these days which makes sense for a have-have not culture/banana republic. I don't care if you and others spend the next year hunkered down and protecting yourselves from certain death/COVID19. Minnesota has set a goal of 20,000 tests per day which is about a month of testing if they intend to test everyone who lives in the state. I'm curious to see if I already had it because if I have then it was already here in early January. I had a weird cold in early January along with several other people that I know personally.