The Coronavirus

[Eric the Green]

(11-05-2021, 08:47 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(11-04-2021, 12:44 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(11-04-2021, 11:25 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(11-03-2021, 07:45 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: It's hard to say about this 4T. Usually it looks bad while we are in it. As you know, I don't see any basis for hope for the next 2T, if this 4T fails. Failed societies don't have 2Ts, unless rescued by other societies during their 4T. If our 4T fails, it is because our nation has become different from that of the past 500 years; more evil, more ignorant, more deceived, more stubborn, more complacent, more decadent, more greedy, more unmanagable by any human agency. So if that is the case about our current 4T society, then the 2T will just be further chaos and also end badly. It could be argued that our previous 2T ended more badly too than previous ones. If a nation is just in decline, then it doesn't really matter which turning it is in. It will just decline faster, or slower, depending on which turning it is in.

Here we disagree.  We're not a lot different from the nation we were at our founding. We still have the same contending cultures and suffer the same conflicts -- just moreso.  At some pont, we needed to renegotiate the contract we signed in the 1780s, and either split or develope a new commonality.  Being a minority-ruled nation isn't viable, but that's where we are and where we're going for now.  As far as being a failure and falling into a bottomless hole, I don't think we'll fail that way.  Instead, we'll slowly fall apart at the seams, and AGW will finally push us to stand and deliver, or divide and go our separate ways.

Eric Wrote:Even this is hard to believe, given how evil our society has always been. But in our saeculum it has reached its peak of power and prosperity, and so decline in every way, which has already well begun, may be the only thing we can expect from now on. Yet, as I said, with 7 or 8 years left to run for SURE, we can't know just how our 4T will turn out. Whatever victory is achieved, if it happens, (and a blue victory is the only outcome that's a victory), it will be partial, not perfect, and only then we can expect further change and progress in the next 2T, with a renewed spiritual discovery or revival along with it that is mostly missing today, but has always happened in past 2Ts.

Here we do agree.  I doubt we'll get our act together in the next few years, but we won't have a Kumbaya 1T either.  Those ~20 years of messiness will be similar to the messiness following the ACW.  That time we went backwards.  I hope the opposite will be true this time, because AGW isn't playing games.

Even with AGW, it's hard to be optimistic given such election results as Nov.2, 2021. The people don't seem to vote based on real concerns, but on prejudice slogans like CRT and momentary concerns like high gas prices. But, as I've said, the 4T often looks bleak while we are in it, and we have faced real crises in the past and won, so if we are the same nation, then that could be a basis for some hope that we may stumble into victory in spite of ourselves.

No one fights harder than a cornered animal.  The GOP is pulling out all the stops; the Lee Atwater playbook is open to every page at once.  They see a tiny window to win and win for good (at least they see it that way).  Worse case scenarion: they actually succeed in electing a Trump 2.0 in 2024 (probably DeSantis or even Youngkin now that he's their new shiny penny).  When they have every lever of government at once, they'll go hog wild.  The big question: will average Americans, who are decidedly not Trumpist types, go along or fight back?  Then AGW, which they ignore today as they have in the past, will rear it's ugly head in earnest.  How that plays out is still TBD, but I don't see it getting adequate traction until late 2030s at the earlist.  Then the 2040s, and perhaps American Revoution 2.0 -- too far away to know if or how that plays.

Of course the climate crisis needs to get adequate traction NOW, certainly during our 4T, and NOT in a 1T (the 2030s), since in first turnings NOTHING get's any traction, or else the tipping points turn and hothouse Earth cannot be turned back and we are toast. No, this decade is it for us. It's now or never!

The GOP may be able to impose its dictatorship, like the Nazis imposed the last gasp of racist nationalism that had been cornered and had been building up for a century. If it does win in 2024 or anytime this decade, the climate crisis will be impossible to contain, and we are toast.

The horoscope scores can't be ignored when it comes to which candidates might win. They measure the typical response of Americans to the presidential candidates' style, personality and communication effectiveness. Youngkin's score is 7-19; he will be a disaster as governor and quickly fade. McAuliffe's status could then rise again, and he has 10-3. De Santis has a mediocre score (12-10). He (or any Republican) will likely win if Harris (3-17) is ever nominated, but otherwise DeSantis is an unlikely winner. Candidates like DeSantis can win only if the Democrats pick a likely loser like Harris. The biggest Republican threats are Tim Scott (17-7), Spencer Cox (17-4), Tom Cotton (17-9?), Larry Elder (14-2), Marco Rubio (13-7) and Dan Crenshaw (15-7). Some of these have better status for running than others, and you need some status as well as a good score. Greg Abbott has the status and a pretty good score (12-7). In the longer term, don't count out Ivanka Trump (17-0). And I don't count out The Donald (9-4) either.

The Democrats have fewer possibilities. Our best hope is for Joe Biden (16-6) to run again and live out his full 2 terms. Mitch Landrieu (19-2) is the best, but doesn't seem inclined. Susan Rice (14-7) and Sherrod Brown (19-9) are long-shots. Besides these and McAuliffe I don't see any others on the horizon right now. So likely, Joe will have to regain his popularity and be not only more than a stand in, but a transformational leader. The times can make the leader. Basically, the times will have to make Biden such a leader, or our human journey is over.

I don't assert that the scores are perfect, and they will be adjusted a little or somewhat based on who wins and who loses in the future. The scores are almost-entirely empirical-based, using the planetary relationships (aspects) in the charts of all the viable presidential candidates in history.

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