02-06-2022, 01:52 PM
(02-05-2022, 04:42 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: David Horn
(02-05-2022, 03:46 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(01-30-2022, 07:17 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Coronavirus: Mayo Clinic fires 700 unvaccinated employees
It was a business decision. Hospitals need revenues to function and noncompliance would result in a major loss of revenues. So, are they going to fire vaccinated employees and refuse vaccinated patients and prohibit vaccinated visitors who can get sick and spread covid too? They should if they need to take all steps necessary to keep our patients, workforce, visitors and communities safe. It's hard to believe that so many people with college degrees are going along with nonsense. You know that vaccinated patients and visitors and vaccinated employees can get sick and spread covid too right. Everyone pretty much knows that's the truth these days but the Biden Administration and a bunch of libtards. I assume that Biden doesn't care about the truth at this point. On another note, I've been directly exposed to more people with covid (all of them vaccinated people who were sick for multiple days) the last three months than I have the last two years and I haven't got sick with covid yet. Is it luck or is it natural immunity? I've tested negative two times a week for several weeks.
Once again, you read the wrong lesson from a good choice by Mayo Clinic. The Clinic wasn't worried about their business model -- at least not nearly as much as it worried about its mission. You can't run a medical practice if that practice allows the staff to sicken each other and, more to the point, the clinic's patients. While i might favor separating the unvaccinated patients from the vaccinated -- even charging the unvaccinated more for care -- Mayo isn't doing that, nor are any other medical practices I know of.
You are welcome to see it as a business decision. This said, I don't want to see people work for me getting sick and dying because they refuse to take a safe and effective inoculation. I don't want my employees getting sick and contagious and infecting clients who are in the hospital for something not COVID-19, like cancer or heart trouble.
I'd love to compel people who do not take the inoculation for reasons other than religious conviction (they would have to be members of some denomination that precludes such an inoculation) or medical reasons to buy medical insurance and funeral insurance to cover the costs of likely medical care and a funeral in the event that the worst happens. I would be on the side of insurance companies on this. People who take undue risks pay higher premiums for life insurance that pays upon death. Current or former coal miner? Your medical insurance will cost more. Current smoker or heavy drinker? Likewise. If you keep a cocker spaniel as a pet you may pay no added premium for liability. Keep a tiger? Th at is very different.
Quote:If you drove your car with no brakes, and did it intentionally, the legal system would come down hard on you when you finally had an accident -- as they should. COVID is no different, yet the medical profession continues to hold out a helping hand and bear a burden imposed on them on purpose by the 'freedom front'.
OK about driving a car without brakes. I would suggest that you seek the advice of a genuine doctor about getting inoculated. Not taking the vaccine is the worst sort of gamble possible: one with high risks of severe losses but with a tiny reward.
Quote:Can you get sick from covid and spread it to others and possibly kill other despite being vaccinated? Can you die from covid despite being vaccinated? Yes you can just like me or anyone else at this point. Whatever superiority you thought you had or may have gained with being vaccinated no longer exists today. Like I said, I am amazed that so many people with college degrees are still bowing down and going along with the blue nonsense these days. I've always thought vaccinating healthy people and forcing healthy people to get vaccinated was unwarranted and a waste of time, money and resources. You seem to have a bit of a ruthless/careless side to you. That's good, I won't feel guilty when people eventually start blowing blue heads off and rounding up blues for deportation and so forth.
The statistics are clear: vaccinated people who get infected endure far less risk of death and serious consequences of COVID-19, and are much less likely to spread COVID-19 because the infection dies.
As for college degrees and nonsense -- there are wayward professors, but the most dangerous ignorance comes from under-educated people.
And, yes, good drivers must buy insurance for them to drive a car lawfully. Everybody makes mistakes, and those who make fewer mistakes as drivers get into fewer accidents and those of lesser severity. I did defensive driving last week and someone who cut in front of me because I was braking ended up crashing into a UPS van. I completed my stop and was able to report the incident to local police.
You can trust me: should the Red side go full-bore totalitarian it will start going after people who waver on some issue or another. You live in Minnesota, a comparatively Blue state, and you will know people who get sent off to execution or worse. You will miss us. We on the Blue side have some principles. We would not tolerate such stuff by ourselves.
Quote:You don't want to hear this but if you do get covid and you most likely will since we're a couple of vaccines behind and nobody knows the specific characteristics or deadliness of the next covid variant, your chances of survival will be significantly less than mine since my body already gotten to know covid pretty well. Alpha didn't kill me. Beta didn't kill me or anyone that I know who got it at the time. BTW, I knew lots of people who got it at the time. Delta didn't kill me or anyone that I know ( vaccinated or non vaccinated) either. Omicron has claimed one so far. He was 94 years old and ready to pass on and preferred to die at home with loved ones by his side vs dying alone in a hospital bed. Do you or any of the blue morons have a problem with him having the right to make that decision?
That is not how it works. I have been exposed to a safe copy of the virus. I got a bunch of nasty side effects that showed some indication of what I could expect with COVID-19... like chest pains. Anybody my age is a candidate for a heart attack. COVID might have killed me. In my county a 28-year-old man who did genuine labor died of COVID-19.
COVID-19 is not one of those things to which you can say that if it doesn't kill you it makes you stronger. No, it makes life worse.
Anyone 94 years old is living on borrowed time.
The risks of COVID-19 are just too high for me and the rewards are just too low for avoiding inoculation. Yes, I think that gambling at slot machines is a bad bet, but that makes far more sense than does risking death or serious consequences from COVID-19.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.