04-12-2020, 08:20 PM
(04-12-2020, 07:06 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:(04-12-2020, 06:50 PM)Generational Wrote: I see us moving away from socialism towards populism, away from fascism towards nationalism and away from classical liberalism including the current form of globalist-elitism PC-ism to traditionalism. The last of the three moves may be perceived as the biggest difference. This is either withheld in the media or demonized, but nothing can stop it. Btw this is nothing but Strauss/Howe orthodoxy and how they describe the social mood in a 1T. If you postulate anything different you do not follow the generational theory. Not a problem, but it's not Strauss/Howe generational theory of history then. Plus, it stares you right into the eyes in the many and growing examples you mentioned.
What do you see as the difference between fascism and nationalism? To me, nationalism is a broader category, but fascism is a subset, so I'm having trouble envisioning a move away from fascism that's toward nationalism.
Then again, I don't see us as very close to fascism now, so I guess that's another reason to understand what you're trying to say there.
Warren, good point. Fascism is innately incompatible with the American soul. America has always been multi-ethnic and founded on common values and not race. Since I'm from Germany originally I can relate to the concept of Fascism better even if I abhor it like anyone else decent. Many nations have been founded based on a common ethnicity. Fascism builds on this and then puts your own ethnicity / race above everything. It proclaims to be nationalist but only if you belong to the dominant ethnicity. The rules are sometime contradictory - Jews can be included like in Italian Fascism or the devil incarnate as in the German version. It can be right-leaning or left leaning. Identity politics is left-leaning fascism. I saw in California the movement called itself "La Raza" or "The Race". I shuddered to look at it from the German experience, but here we are (again). So while some Americans embrace Fascism on the left and right, overall it has never stood a chance here due to the American experience being so different from European nations.
The "new" nationalism I see rising here as a result of 4T is the classical American nationalism - we want to be free and independent from other nations, we want to protect our people (regardless of ethnicity), customs, values and traditions and be economically independent again. We respect the same in other nations and even promote this everywhere.