08-07-2020, 06:08 PM
(08-07-2020, 04:32 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(08-07-2020, 03:55 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:As I've mentioned before, I view the Democratic side as still being the more racist/ race based side these days. You can't blame me for going by what I see and hear vs going by what you or the liberal media say or seem to believe themselves either. I doubt Oprah or the Obama's or will be able to convince more intelligent Americans that their race prevented them from achieving their place in the world. Dude, it's so stupid it's comical/border line sicking to watch at this point.(08-07-2020, 03:30 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(08-07-2020, 01:34 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:Well, I never belonged or placed my faith in the so called working mans party and view the working mans party as an old Democratic cliche that's pretty much meaningless these days. I know several members of the so called working mans party who are coming to the realization that the party no longer represents them or their primary interests or concerns today.(08-07-2020, 01:02 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: PB, I live in a Democratic state that has no qualms or moral issues with big business (utilities and national chains) competing with me directly. I assume that you are blind to the fact that the Democratic party is in bed with big business.
Yes. During the progressive era, the Democrats were the party of the working man. The Republicans leaned towards the elites. But by the middle of the unravelling, both parties would accept money from the elites. Unsurprisingly, benefits were weakened, unions were weakened, and jobs were sent overseas. This is one of the reasons folks are not overly thrilled to see Biden as an establishment figure getting the nod.
Wise not to put your faith, but you should put it in neither party. During the unraveling, money seemed to over ride votes. Both parties were parties of the elites.
May shift with the need to get rid of the Trump Republicans, We might be patriotic and loyal to the Constitution and solving the crisis problems for a while. But I can't blame you for being dubious. It is just confusing that you are not being dubious about the elite racist party even if you don't push the two influences that so taint the Republicans.
Democrats do propose more rights for unions, and more restrictions on business. But this has weakened in two places; first, the power of the Republican Party to block them, since Democrats have not had control of the state for more than a year or two for the last 40 years, and second, the persuasive power of the Republican Reaganomics meme over the Democrats, causing them to be "new" Democrats that compromise and back down too often to the Republican policies. But Democrats are the ones who put justices on the supreme court who opposed the domination of big money over our politics, while Republicans put justices on who support the power of big money. Democrats propose reform; Republicans block and oppose it. So there's no question about which party MIGHT be willing and able to help the working man and trim the power of big business, and which one NEVER will.
But it is too bad that Democrats cave in to the fear of "socialism" to the extent that they prefer establishment new Democrats like Biden over "socialists" like Sanders. It's mainly a question of fear of the other party and fear of demons like Trump. They cave in because they don't think a "democratic socialist" can win the election against this greater evil.
It would seem logical that we should be over the race issue by now, but we're not. Many of your own statements Classic Xer prove that we are not. Discrimination, racial profiling, police brutality and so on are aimed at blacks more than at whites. The wealth gap remains huge, even though there are plenty of talented African Americans who make it well and get rich. The closet racists like you Classic Xer would suggest that blacks face no racial barriers, meaning that it must be their inherent inferiority that accounts for these enormous gaps. Democrats and progressives therefore are "racists" according to you for pointing out the fact that non-white races still face barriers in our society. You think we should just relax since everyone is already given an equal chance, that there is no police brutality or racial profiling, and that the make-up of the prison population and the wealth and income gaps are entirely the fault of the black race themselves, since we are all treated equally already, and since you claim to treat them equally yourself.
The Black Lives Matter movement exists because it needs to, because young unarmed innocent black people are targeted and then murdered by police for being "suspicious" and because "they might have a gun". When this no longer happens any more than it happens to others, then the movement will go away. Police unions and restrictions against liability prevent this from happening, and training that emphasizes producing killers gets in the way. Defunding of social and mental health care workers, and giving these jobs to the police as a result of Reaganomics, hatred of welfare and the proliferation of guns, keeps the police trigger happy and the community without the real help they need. Police reform will benefit all races, because we are all potential victims of trigger happy killer cops who do not respect our rights and who are forced to do work they are not qualified for, and who need to be armed to the teeth and ready to shoot against well-armed criminals and gangs as a result of the lack of gun control directly perpetrated by Republicans. And that's not to mention Nixon's war in drugs.
