The cancer infecting the political Left

[Bob Butler 54]

(11-25-2020, 11:26 PM)Einzige Wrote: You conceive, again, of Marxism as a prescriptive moral doctrine, that is, as a liberal doctrine. It isn't. Marxism is descriptive.

For example: what would it mean for FDR or Biden to "fail"? What would a fail-state be for someone whose function is preserve and extend Capital, other than the abolition of capitalism?

Failure on the class conflict aspect would involve the inability to get enough wealth in the hands of the worker so there was a perception of the last resort being reached.  Failure on the environmental aspect would be enough land and resources being unavailable so that enough wealth cannot be put in the hands of the people, therefore the last resort is reached.  Failure on the rule of law front would be if the powers that be place themselves above the law.  Failure on the equality front would involve a perception that minorities are unable to get equality through political means, and that aa a last resort violence is called for.

Basically, the government is so greedy and unresponsive that the people get ticked off.  Thus far in the west, the elites are yielding just enough not to reach that point.  In other parts of the world, autocratic culture was stronger than the democratic ideals, so they reached the ticked off phase without leaving the autocracy behind.  The result?  Marxist revolutions become non-marxist.  They became autocratic.  The elite remained a dominant class with no feedback to limit their desire to exploit.

And this lack of feedback is a flaw in Marxist theory which has raised the bar of people considering if failure has been reached, if the standard of last resort calls for violence.  People are just more willing to engage in democratic and non violent attempts to change first.

I would agree that Marxist theory doesn’t describe the real world, but I see it less as a good thing.

We may or may not passed the point where you get not get enough elitism, racism and religious desire to impose on the culture to make the red pattern sustainable.  We shall have to see if Biden manages to keep some promises, and how intact the Republican advantage remains after the oncoming struggle for control of the party.  Will we get a new progressive era, a new new deal, when government serves the worker and minorities, or will the combination of elitism, racism, and Neo colonialism continue.

Reaching the people perceiving failure, of violence without credible feedback from the violent, isn't really a contending view at this point.  What would make you trust a violent barbarian?  What would it take to keep him under control?  Words?  Theories?

(11-26-2020, 02:25 AM)Einzige Wrote: Bureaucracies do not exist under socialism. Socialism is literally nothing more than the proletariat seizing society and operating it in its image. The bureau belongs to the age of abstract capitalist management, including Soviet and Maoist capitalism.

Bureaucracies exist in all governments.  They are the way problems are solved, a government organization gets created to solve them.  Marxist theory supposes that problems will go away and not have to be solved?  I doubt it.  Again, you are not reflecting an understanding of how the real world works.  You attempt to solve problems with language.  It doesn't work that way.