(12-01-2020, 04:29 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:(11-26-2020, 02:25 AM)Einzige Wrote: Bureaucracies do not exist under socialism. Socialism is literally nothing more than the proletariat seizing society and operating it in its image. The bureau belongs to the age of abstract capitalist management, including Soviet and Maoist capitalism.
No true Scotsman fallacy. So you make the argument:
No true Scotsman likes jazz. But "Angus MacPherson just bought a large collection of jazz records. Oh. When you look closely into it, his mother is Russian. Oh, that explains it. Angus McPherson isn't really Scots, then".
You can't say that a system isn't socialist because it has oppression, bureaucracy, militarism, or some other objectionable feature.
...I didn't intend to disparage jazz.
It's not not socialist because it has oppression etc. It's not socialist because it has production for exchange, which bureaucracy implies.
Socialism has very little to do directly with moral abstractions like militarism, war, etc., though it ameliorates these. Socialism is the abolition of wage labor and production for exchange.
