12-09-2020, 04:53 PM
(12-09-2020, 04:35 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(12-09-2020, 08:55 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:(12-09-2020, 12:40 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Are you a racist? Do you still believe that black are incapable of making it own their own and advancing on the basis of their own merits? I understand that is what the Democrats teach/promote in Democratic run schools and in politics but is it true of all these days.
Not a racist, but I believe those that adopt ghetto thinking do so because of the inability to get ahead in the face of systematic racism. Give them another path and they might follow it. If you call any other path racist, you are racist.
(12-09-2020, 12:40 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Oh, and the whites Democrats like you who support them are all pretty much dead meet come crisis time.
Go ahead. Cluck like a chicken. Is that all you have, an obsession with violence and making empty threats?
(12-09-2020, 12:40 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I'm not either one of them or a Democrat (The closest to a version of them that exists in America today) for that matter. I'm an American and have always been an remember. I think I've made that very clear and have proven where I stand with people like you over the years. Why are preaching against tribal thinking while you're still into tribal thinking and posting proof of it.
You have stuck with your obsession with violence. Like most extremists, you are capable of disregarding facts when they contradict your ideology. You are capable of projecting your ideology on an imaginary group you call American.
Tribal thinking and WEIRD thinking are opposites. Can you be in favor of WEIRD without dividing between us and them and rejecting them? To a great degree I am opposed to dividing between us and them, thinking poorly of them, and using violence in support of us.
I suppose one difference is the obsession with violence and hatred of those who are perceived as others. Groups like the Boogaloo Bois, bad cops, Proud Boys and Wolverine Watchmen fall into this mode of thinking. Anyone who disagrees with them, who is seen as other, is oppressed with violence. That is tribal thinking at its worst. You indulge freely.
Not all conservatives fall into this pattern. Not all conservatives, unlike the Proud Boys for a little while, will leave their rural strongholds, invade urban strongholds, just to instigate violence. Many rural 'militias' have a genuine belief in the possession of arms. I quite believe they will go violent if someone attempts to pry their guns from their cold dead fingers. But they have always accepted democracy. Their violence has remained only a potential. They do not share your extreme beliefs.
Thus I feel confident that the crisis is already here. The issues that establish the conflict have already been defined. They do not include your fantasies.
Yes, we have the potential to be become violent and we have opted to remain idle to this point. You say WEIRD thinking is the opposite of tribal thinking as you represent, repeat and promote the thoughts associated with the blue tribe today. You are going to have to do something about that problem in order to retain whatever amount of integrity you feel or think that you have left. Like I said, I don't really care if you gut the bulk of your police over an incident that occurred in a blue city involving a blue cop and a blue low life who was reported and detained by one of a few law abiding citizens who were left for using a fake twenty dollar bill. Well, Minneapolis has one less blue criminal, one less sketchy blue cop, one less law abiding store owner and one less family owned business to boot.
Mercifully you have chosen to not go violent. That is best for us all. If I never see anything like the Michigan plot again... well, that is the wrong sort of excitement.
Tribal thinking is typical in failed societies. Ideally people choose to associate, date, and vote based upon something nobler than identity. If it is going to be identity then let it be culture (as in "we both are involved with horses" or "we both love classical music" instead of "I'm proud to be one of the Deplorable".
Identity is shallow. It alternatively offers too little and demands too much.
As for George Floyd -- the cops are not judge, jury, and executioner. If the cops are to kill someone then let it be for protecting the lives of themselves or others. Pull a gun on a cop and expect to die. Every egregious event of police brutality scares the community into being more hostile to the police and demoralizes the police. Maybe we need some basic reforms of police forces so that they are more willing to negotiate someone into a squad car than pull a trigger.
I do not care about the political values of a criminal. The way things go, if one is a criminal then all other identity becomes meaningless. Once he was convicted of multiple murders, did John Wayne Gacy's past as a contractor matter? He was apparently a good building contractor. Murder made that all irrelevant.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.
