02-10-2017, 04:25 PM
(02-10-2017, 03:59 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: It seems to me, that there is a whole lot of deception and delusion going on in America today. It has to be exposed. We may disagree on who is deluded, and we do; and there have been some episodes and examples of fake news from my side of the debate, and that includes deception from the far left about center-left candidates too, and probably vice-versa too. But we can't deceive ourselves that no deception is going on. Those of us who care need to be willing to take a look and see the truth.
The devil has enough advocates at this point. But keeping discussion going is more interesting to a forum, even though too often it creates more heat than light.
At this point, people who are open to listening are likely to only be about 20%-25% of the population. That's just where we are. And the majority of those willing to listen today are likely, it seems to me, to be in the category of "center-left" in a relatively right-leaning country. It's questionable in today's media environment how many of the right-wing can be shown what lies beyond fear and prejudice. It's a tall order. We can hope and pray that it's possible.
See again the video I posted on the "big lie" thread from mediamatters.
https://youtu.be/WveSEL-BhKI
I like to explore ideas, even if they might be different from ideas that I spout forth elsewhere. That's just who I am. This thread is not about which post or poster might be deceived, or unwilling to listen. This thread is not intended by me as a rebuttal or argument against any particular post or forum poster.
The video describes a theme proposed 15 years ago, back when we thought the 4T started in 2001. The idea was that the 4T would be a "virtual 4T" in which messaging, fakes news etc. would play a major role. The basic idea was based on the then-accepted (by me) idea of a mild British 4T in the mid 19th century. The idea that a modern 4T might never become a "real thing" as my work colleague Dan put it--there would be no internal war, financial panic, etc. The 4T would be decided on whose marketing campaign/branding was better.
But then, to my surprise, in 2008 we had an old-fashioned financial panic. Turns out, it still can rain shit in a 4T. And so, we will have to do this thing old school.