10-21-2020, 12:23 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-21-2020, 12:28 PM by Bob Butler 54.)
This entry seems to summarize the difference between Earth 1 and Earth 2. I doubt I will effect any of your delusions, but the difference is real and deeply felt.
The blue media does not have a reputation for lying. That is more Trump and Fox's game.
The reds have generally accepted the results of elections. This time around, with so many of them seeing the threat to America, so many of them going over to the other side, they have less reason to grumble than most times.
Starving to death isn't happening. Death from red folk ignoring COVID is. As long as the bug isn't beat down, the economy will be in shambles, and that includes the red folk's economy.
As long as the current red reality puts the comfort of not wearing a mask, the awkwardness of social distancing, ahead of people's lives, the possibility is there. The values shift of a crisis is from selfishness to being willing to sacrifice for the good of the culture. The reds have failed at this miserably, have clung to the unravelling mentality.
Hasn't happened yet. The reds in charge have chosen to bail out Wall Street rather than Main Street. They have continued their bad policy on the bug rather long though. Something has got to give.
Any evidence of any city heading that way? There has been a problem with violent red extremists going into blue turf and trying to make trouble, but so far they haven't gotten very far. The military is declining to be used against the American people. The secret police have gone home. The Proud Boys lost one person and their edge. The Wolverine Watchmen recruited an informer. The problem with America is red domestic terrorism, and they are falling rather flat.
Not happening.
Agreed, sort of... Just I have a different idea of what America is. Your America, the America of racism, authoritarianism and elitism will suffer a values crash similar to to the old values in past crises.
Also, the military have declined to oppose the American people. There will be conflict enough, but not there.
The colonials were the progressives. The king wanted to stick with authoriatism, tribalism and colonial imperialism. We don't see history at all the same.
Neither faction resembles the old fascists. That is so much propaganda.
Nobody is slaughtering anybody, unless you count the reds perpetuating the bug. That is at 221,000 and counting. That is way out of scale with anything else. In a crisis, the greatest problems facing the culture are solved. That would be COVID and systematic violent racism.
I feel sorry for the Republicans, but that's what happens in a crisis to those who cling to the old values. Racism and elitism gave the conservative movement a long unraveling. The lessons learned from it will be severe. How severe? Prior crises gave us taxation without representation is tyranny, the abolition of slavery, government regulation of the economy and containment of aggressive autocracy. The mess that the elites and racists created might be viewed as similar in magnitude and scope by the time the victors finish writing the history books. The inequality that they embraced in economy and justice will be easy to write.
That isn't to say there aren't values worth standing up for in the conservative movement. Eric was astute in listing the conservative values which have become progressive in this election. Those are the values that would give the party a chance to recover. Not clear that they will. The remnants of the GOP could become Trump remnants. That would leave the two Democratic factions in opposition. Not clear that is a win.
(10-19-2020, 10:39 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I don't think this is a good time for the media to pull off an epic hood wink myself.
The blue media does not have a reputation for lying. That is more Trump and Fox's game.
(10-19-2020, 10:39 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Like I said, you stand to lose the bulk of the country over it.
The reds have generally accepted the results of elections. This time around, with so many of them seeing the threat to America, so many of them going over to the other side, they have less reason to grumble than most times.
(10-19-2020, 10:39 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I don't care if you starve to death.
Starving to death isn't happening. Death from red folk ignoring COVID is. As long as the bug isn't beat down, the economy will be in shambles, and that includes the red folk's economy.
(10-19-2020, 10:39 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I don't care if the people in New York aren't free to leave their homes for years.
As long as the current red reality puts the comfort of not wearing a mask, the awkwardness of social distancing, ahead of people's lives, the possibility is there. The values shift of a crisis is from selfishness to being willing to sacrifice for the good of the culture. The reds have failed at this miserably, have clung to the unravelling mentality.
(10-19-2020, 10:39 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I don't care if Wall Street goes broke and disappears over night.
Hasn't happened yet. The reds in charge have chosen to bail out Wall Street rather than Main Street. They have continued their bad policy on the bug rather long though. Something has got to give.
(10-19-2020, 10:39 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I don't care if Washington, DC ends up being looted and burned to the ground.
Any evidence of any city heading that way? There has been a problem with violent red extremists going into blue turf and trying to make trouble, but so far they haven't gotten very far. The military is declining to be used against the American people. The secret police have gone home. The Proud Boys lost one person and their edge. The Wolverine Watchmen recruited an informer. The problem with America is red domestic terrorism, and they are falling rather flat.
(10-19-2020, 10:39 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I don't care if a bunch of blue cities turn into war zones.
Not happening.
(10-19-2020, 10:39 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: America will unite, establish an interim government, organize it's armies and establish the rule of law/ law and order within its territories.
Agreed, sort of... Just I have a different idea of what America is. Your America, the America of racism, authoritarianism and elitism will suffer a values crash similar to to the old values in past crises.
Also, the military have declined to oppose the American people. There will be conflict enough, but not there.
(10-19-2020, 10:39 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: We can repeat history again and boot the Liberal's like our ancestor's booted the Brits and leave the fascists and socialists fighting over the cities alone for years as they're slaughtering themselves.
The colonials were the progressives. The king wanted to stick with authoriatism, tribalism and colonial imperialism. We don't see history at all the same.
Neither faction resembles the old fascists. That is so much propaganda.
Nobody is slaughtering anybody, unless you count the reds perpetuating the bug. That is at 221,000 and counting. That is way out of scale with anything else. In a crisis, the greatest problems facing the culture are solved. That would be COVID and systematic violent racism.
(10-19-2020, 10:39 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I feel bad for the sheeple Democrats but that's what happens to sheeple.
I feel sorry for the Republicans, but that's what happens in a crisis to those who cling to the old values. Racism and elitism gave the conservative movement a long unraveling. The lessons learned from it will be severe. How severe? Prior crises gave us taxation without representation is tyranny, the abolition of slavery, government regulation of the economy and containment of aggressive autocracy. The mess that the elites and racists created might be viewed as similar in magnitude and scope by the time the victors finish writing the history books. The inequality that they embraced in economy and justice will be easy to write.
That isn't to say there aren't values worth standing up for in the conservative movement. Eric was astute in listing the conservative values which have become progressive in this election. Those are the values that would give the party a chance to recover. Not clear that they will. The remnants of the GOP could become Trump remnants. That would leave the two Democratic factions in opposition. Not clear that is a win.
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.