Has the regeneracy arrived?

[David Horn]

(01-06-2017, 02:11 PM)Emman85 Wrote:

(01-03-2017, 04:29 PM)Mikebert Wrote:

(01-03-2017, 11:24 AM)David Horn Wrote: It could just be that nothing is so drastically important that it forces a unified response.  Inequality is bad, but the most negatively affected are out-of-sight-and-out-of-mind.  ACW is getting worse, but it hasn't produce an environment disaster yet.  We are still more-or-less free.  The economy in general is meh.  It's hard to get wound up to fight the good fight if the fight isn't absolutely necessary.

Of course, that may still change.

This would be consistent with we still be 3T.

A distinction should be made between the S&H assertion that the saeculum exists and the generational theory they advance to explain them.  That one or the other, both or neither are true are all possibilities.

No it's not consistent with the idea that we are STILL in a 3T, the unraveling continues until the regeneracy, they make that clear in The Fourth Turning book. Howe/Strauss stress the point that the initial catalyst needs to be flowed by possibly two or more shocks to reach a critical threshold for a kind of counter entropy to happen.  The '08 Obama campaign was ran on "hope and change", just because Obama did not quite deliver does not mean we went back 3T, the need for change just got stronger among the US public(as seen with the result of the 2016 election).  

In fact civic/social trust is supposed to implode and reach a nadir in the pre-regeneracy 4T. The US and much of the western world is so obviously deep into the fourth turning mood, there is a low supply of order but the demand for order is rising.

I agree, but the problem, as I see it, has to do with what order is demanded.  Apparently, there is a balance of terror between the two dominant positions that precludes a resolution ... at least for now.  Does it get resolved, or is there just no perceptible shift in these positions until we run out the clock?  If we run out of 4T passion, a glum and resigned 1T will take its place and the following 2T becomes a powder keg.  I suspect it will, and that's been my opinion for some time.  I can't see a 4T resolution with broad support, unless we come close to destroying what we wish to save.  ACW-II?  No thanks.