The Maelstrom of Violence

[Eric the Green]

(08-29-2017, 07:02 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(08-29-2017, 06:12 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: They may want a revolution, and may be on the left. But as has been explained, antifa is a loose group, and its purpose is not to achieve those goals per se. They are not Stalinists; they are more like Bernie in their goals. It is just that some people on the left (as well as some others) feel the need to stand up to the fascists. Non-violent methods are preferable, even to antifa. But they feel the need to act before the white supremacists, Nazis, KKK, xenophobes, etc. get too far forward. Heck, they've already taken over the White House. What else might the fascists do? It is better to take their warning, rather than harping on about these admittedly-imperfect messengers. They aren't going to take over the USA, but the fascists have already got 30-40% of Americans behind them and have elected a president and a congress and a supreme court. So which is more dangerous?

Read the below and take the red pill. You'll be fine.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/45...s-ideology

Loose group:   Like ISIS.
Stalin:  That info is in the information in my prior posts. Feel free to run a fact check on that stuff. I did to cull out media hype. There be hurricanes in the cyberspace. Lots of spin.

Violence. There are many options besides going full tribal. In fact, lots of white supremacists web recourses have been withdrawn.  Trump?  Uh, folks can just opt out like the 1970's. If you want to mess up Trump's stuff, just stop buying extra stuff.  You know, opting for a used car instead of a new one would put the hurt on Trump's economy. I also prefer economic distress over wanton violence. There, I've chosen my option.

Warning:  Antifa is the best promotion right wing crackpots could ever get. Look at all of that free media coverage they get,  you know sort of like Trump himself. 24/7 news coverage can't be beat.

Which is worse?  Trump or Weimar USA.  I'll take Trump even over organized mob fighting.Besides, Trumponomics seems to have a built in self destruct sequence.

I know of Bernie, Bernies a respectable person.  Antifa is not respectable.  Anyone who trashes other peoples' stuff is also violating folks' property rights. That's to be expected though.  Commies of any stripe have no use for property rights.

Yes I get that you don't like violations of property rights and mob fighting. Trump over organized mob fighting, you say? Trump himself organizes mob fighting. He did that in his campaign. It's true though, the right wing successfully uses antifa for its own propaganda purposes. That's a definite downside to their methods.

No, antifa is not like the Islamic State, even a little bit. Antifa's leftist ideals are for justice and equality for all, whatever the result of their mix of violent and non-violent methods may be. The IS is about cutting off the heads of those who don't hold tight to their fanatical and deadly intolerance. And the IS is not a loose group. They are tenacious fighters and efficient tyrants.

Buying used cars is not going to dump Drump, or his GOP. It's going to take a lot of political organization. That's where the value, if any, of antifa, or even Occupy Wall Street, reaches its limit. Conversations can be changed, racism held to account, and warnings can be made. Beyond that, change in our government and politics is needed, as well as local organizing. Street riots will not change the system. Democrats are the only viable way to support change within the government, at least unless the Greens or another political system and/or alternative party takes hold. It might; this 4T is still young. Meanwhile, Democrats need to win to get us back even to a chance for incremental progress, which the radicals including antifa do not have the patience for. Right now, all we have is decline and fall.