06-23-2022, 10:51 PM
(03-10-2022, 09:53 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(03-10-2022, 01:26 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: I'm still waiting for evidence that Trump conspired directly with folks like Jackson Reffit.
I wonder how many undercover FBI agents were involved at the time.
There weren't enough FBI agents to entrap so many suckers.
Right-wing media riled people up, and Donald Trump invited people sharing his dream of continuing his dreadful Presidency contrary to the valid electoral results.
... and the results are valid, lawful, and definitive, and nobody had a right to thwart their results, to wit the election of Joseph Biden as President and Kamala Harris as Vice-President.
By now we are getting a good read on what happened.
President Trump egged on the rioters at the Capitol. He acted irresponsibly, failing to call the National Guard to quell the riot. He expected Vice-President Mike Pence to alter the result on his behalf, which was not the prerogative of the Vice-President. The certified results were in, and Trump lost. But in the meantime, rioters that Trump egged on put Members of Congress and their staffs, and even the Vice-President at risk of kidnapping, serious injury, and even death.
I need not be a conservative or a devotee of former VP Mike Pence to have been appalled at the shout "Hang Mike Pence" with a noose made available as a visual aid. In one of the hearings I find that one of the rioters said to the effect:
Quote:Pelosi. Schumer. Nadler. Schiff. AOC (Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez)... we're coming for you.
If you are still posting, Classic X'er, then I ask you whether democracy thrives when our elected officials are not safe from kidnapping, hostage-taking, assault, or murder.
There were lame pretexts for contesting the election... and some Republicans said NO to actions that at the least could have gotten them prison terms. Finally there were several slates of 'alternative electors' who would have cast electoral votes contrary to how their states voted.
Is any electoral result worth killing the system that democracy allows? Once democracy dies, all sorts of horrors -- torture chambers, summary executions, genocide. and apocalyptic war -- are possible.
Donald Trump disgraced his Presidency even before then with corruption and despotic tendencies. Full-blown fascism was in the wings. I might be dead by now. I can think of fates far worse than death, including the protracted agony that someone can inflict upon a political prisoner. We have plenty of sadists and perverts to do such things, thank you, including to me. I'd rather take Valium and vodka should such horror be imminent.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.