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(06-02-2016, 06:53 PM)beechnut7 Wrote: If the previous time frames are any guide, then the pendulum should begin swinging back toward a model favoring workers beginning around 2020. Seems like we have a long way to go to get anywhere near that point, however. It would require the so-called revolution begun by the Bernie Sanders camp to wield more influence in the citadels of power.
One would think so, but the phenomenon of Trump and Sanders argues against this.  Last 4T socially conservative Southern and immigrant members of the working class were in the Democratic party for historical reasons. The Democratic party was led by Progressive and Southern WASPs and the Democratic economic message was  acceptable to Republican working class WASPs because it came from people like them. Today, working class Americans of European heritage are largely immune to any economic messages from Democrats because they are not led by people like them (e.g. President Obama, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi).  As a result the working class is split and they flock to two very different candidates whose message (as perceived by their working class audiences) are very similar.  There is no economic argument or set of policies that could persuade Trump supporters to move to Sanders or vice versa.

So the choice will come down to how much do you fear the tail-risk of a president Trump.  On one side you have Clinton, who from a working class perspective represents various degrees of suckitude, or Trump who is a roll of the dice.  Maybe you get lucky and he turns out good, but then you might roll snake-eyes.
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4T? What 4T? - by Anthony '58 - 05-15-2016, 09:52 AM
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RE: 4T? What 4T? - by Galen - 05-21-2016, 08:24 AM
RE: 4T? What 4T? - by Odin - 05-21-2016, 11:49 AM
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RE: 4T? What 4T? - by Mikebert - 05-19-2016, 08:15 PM
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