California to ban all new gas-powered cars by 2035 under order from Gov. Gavin Newsom

[girlmonday]

California to ban all new gas-powered cars by 2035 under order from Gov. Gavin Newsom

https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/env...504434001/

[pbrower2a]

Gasoline-powered motor vehicles are already showing signs of obsolescence.

[beechnut79]

What is interesting here is that GWB, an oil man, during his presidency nevertheless stated that the gasoline engine should begin to go the way of the rotary telephone.

[Eric the Green]

Newsom is doing the right thing, except that it should be sooner, and we need to fast-start and support mechanical shops that install electric engines in older cars.

[pbrower2a]

(03-06-2021, 03:16 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Newsom is doing the right thing, except that it should be sooner, and we need to fast-start and support mechanical shops that install electric engines in older cars.

This will be much that Duesenberg did, building standard power-trains and chassis for the cars... but specialized bodies for the whim of the customer. Maybe people will want a fiberglass version of a '57 Chevy on their electric car. Or maybe a Rolls.

[london2]

Americans say that the reason the elites want to kill off the 99% is to save the environment, but maybe the globalists are just evil, insane, and greedy.

[Bob Butler 54]

(03-06-2021, 06:58 PM)london2 Wrote: Americans say that the reason the elites want to kill off the 99% is to save the environment, but maybe the globalists are just evil, insane, and greedy.

The elites do not want to kill off the 99%.  Who would they exploit?

[Einzige]

These aren't enough to "save the environment", lmao. The damage is baked in and irreversible, and will be exponentially worse than liberal reformists believe.

[RespectedWriter]

Looks like Civil War 2.0 is starting.

Americans need to be on the same page.

Nothing will get better.

The USA is not a democracy.

All taxes and laws are illegitimate now.

You can't vote for change.

You can't leave because the borders are closed.

The US collapse is not a theory. You can see the collapse with your own eyes.

Americans have been silent for too long and will now pay the price.

The elites have flat-out said that there is a NWO and a Great Reset will be coming.

The oligarchs don't need you. They will soon have robots.

Americans are slaves now. Your life is over. You have nothing left to lose. You are already dead.

The economy has been destroyed.

Unless Americans are willing to die and be arrested, the tyranny will rapidly increase.

The globalists want the 99% divided.

You may not like illegal immigrants, negroes, homosexuals, Muslims, welfare, and abortion, but Americans must put aside their differences and unite to fight the ruling class.

The real enemies today are the billionaires, politicians, Gestapo, government workers, and soldiers.

Starting right now, you must be obsessed with liberty. Educate others about the dangers of war, tyranny, and debt.

Buy guns, ammo, gold, and food.

You can run, drop-out, go Galt, and go off the grid in the short-term, but eventually the ruling class will hunt you down.

Maybe the best result from a Civil War would be secession, but that would be better than what we have now.

Being killed fighting in Somalia would be a waste, but fighting for freedom in the US is worthwhile.

Freedom should be in the DNA of every American.

Life without liberty is nothing.

[Bob Butler 54]

Huh?  That seems contradictory.  You can’t be a respected writer using that style of writing.

Civil War II seems to be aborted with the police taking red violence seriously.  Twice now the police have picked up chatter of a January 6 repeat, which resulted in the police getting ready for it and the insurrectionists taking one look and chickening out.

Conservative values generally fade in a crisis heart.  To a great extent we should move towards the same page.  At the moment, the Big Lie of voter fraud is slowing that movement, but Trump’s lies have a shelf life,  Obama was not born in the US?  Mexico will pay for the wall?  COVID is a hoax?  2020 voter fraud is just a repeat.  As the Lie fades, we will shift to a new culture as we always have.  The high will force conformity to the crisis solutions as usual.

That will be better.  Turning theory is about how cultures change and grow.  While no one wants to live through a crisis, they are hard times, confronting and dealing with the issues centering the crisis has forced us to change, allowed us to grow.

This is done in part through democracy.

Taxes and laws are still legitimate.

I could go on.  The bottom line is that you don’t become a respected writer by listing lies.   You only expose your ignorance.

[David Horn]

(03-07-2021, 08:50 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Huh?  That seems contradictory.  You can’t be a respected writer using that style of writing.
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I could go on.  The bottom line is that you don’t become a respected writer by listing lies.   You only expose your ignorance.

Again, our resident paranoid has unleashed a barrage of new accounts. As long as they remain wacky but considerate, they will all get the opportunity to flourish(?)  Get your popcorn. It should be fun... sorta.

[Einzige]

Conservative values don't die in a crisis, lmao. They jut call themselves Democratic and liberal.

[pbrower2a]

(03-07-2021, 08:50 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Huh?  That seems contradictory.  You can’t be a respected writer using that style of writing.

I doubt that I get much respect as a writer because I am not in the same league as Victor Hugo, Bertrand Russell, or Julius Epstein (screenwriter of Casablanca). My style is pound-pound-pound, and that may not be well liked.

If I saw such writing in a Freshman Composition class I would give it an "F". Maybe in high school one can get a decent grade for such gibberish because such writing shows the level of diligence often completely lacking in high0school students, but in college, quality becomes more important than sheer quantity. The Brothers Karamazov  is a literary masterpiece despite its length and not because of it.  A short poem can also be a masterpiece. Mahler's Third Symphony is a musical masterpiece despite its length (it takes an entire concert to perform it in full), but so is Chopin's Minute Waltz (it does take more than a minute, but so it is tiny). Good writing requires structure, purpose, and rationality; anything less is disrespect of a reader. How do I know this? After getting A's for all my writing projects in K-12 education I got some bad grades in Freshman Composition. I learned that I was working under a different set of rules the hard way. Among lessons that I learned were don't try to be cute; write with a plan that is at least a list; and stay clear of any attempt at humor unless you are legitimately the new Mark Twain or Woody Allen because

(1) you are not that good, and
(2) a jest is good for only one telling to a person and gets stale after one telling in writing.   

Quote:Civil War II seems to be aborted with the police taking red violence seriously.  Twice now the police have picked up chatter of a January 6 repeat, which resulted in the police getting ready for it and the insurrectionists taking one look and chickening out.

People are on trial in Michigan for a right-wing plot to kidnap the Governor. I have yet to see any approval polls on the January 6 insurrection or on Trump involvement, but I can easily imagine many conservatives who still believe in domestic tranquility and the rule of law agreeing with liberals who have taken domestic tranquility and the rule of law for granted as necessities for a workable political system.  

Quote:Conservative values generally fade in a crisis heart.  To a great extent we should move towards the same page.  At the moment, the Big Lie of voter fraud is slowing that movement, but Trump’s lies have a shelf life,  Obama was not born in the US?  Mexico will pay for the wall?  COVID is a hoax?  2020 voter fraud is just a repeat.  As the Lie fades, we will shift to a new culture as we always have.  The high will force conformity to the crisis solutions as usual.

People discover what must be preserved and what must be scrapped. Obviously, institutions that have become objectionable over decades or centuries (the Divine Right of Kings and chattel slavery) are especially prone to repudiation, and Crisis Eras are the times in which such dubious institutions die. So died the "Peculiar Institution" during the American Civil War. 

Abraham Lincoln got it right:

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Quote:My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union.

Abraham Lincoln

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The Union Army recognized the economic basis of slavery in feeding the Confederacy. As it advanced into slave territory it ended up with the most remarkable contraband possible: slaves. It was not going to return slaves to their recent owners because slave-based agriculture was feeding the Confederate Army. Slaves were "stealing away to Jesus"... which had meant Up North but now to the Union lines. It was the Union Army that made a full abolitionist out of Lincoln.  After the Civil War the Union could return confiscated property from railroads and rolling stock, livestock, and confiscated foodstuffs to recent owners. Slaves were out of the question. The Civil War solved a logical contradiction between "a nation conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal". Slave owners thought that they resolved the contradiction by denying the humanity of slaves. 

.....Not only do old depravities die in a Crisis Era; most of what disappears of more recent vintage, coming largely from the preceding Third Turning. In the last Crisis Era, the last traces of an aristocratic order in agricultural economics vanished in Europe (OK, I concur with Einzige on that being a good thing); so did the idea that all-powerful political leaders could make and break treaties and murder at will. Colonial rule and empire-building became shown as more of a peril than a boon to colonial powers and lost its luster. Much of what died was of newer vintage, such as the speculative boom of the 1920's, vindictive treatment of the defeated, and the "scientific" racism that manifested itself in the Holocaust. The sorts of ideologies that bedeviled Germany, Italy, and Japan during World War II would be obliterated once and for all.

Quote:That will be better.  Turning theory is about how cultures change and grow.  While no one wants to live through a crisis, they are hard times, confronting and dealing with the issues centering the crisis has forced us to change, allowed us to grow.

Practically all bad habits have an investment behind them and become ingrained in personal and national character. Freeing oneself of them involves writing off the investment or selling the investment off cheaply. What else can we do? As a nation and as persons we will need to cease pretending that personal debt is not itself poverty. If people are to have wholesome old age (and at this, Generation X is truly burned), then people will need to relearn the arts of thrift and of low-yield, long-term, illiquid investment that makes a better world so that people can have a retirement fund and not depend upon loving relatives or the welfare system for survival past retirement age. Many will need to rely upon entrepreneurial activity instead of upon gig-like jobs in which one functions as a glorified clerk because one cannot imagine being a 'mere' worker. Every big project, private or public, is a labor-intensive activity, whether a railroad, a highway, a bridge, a shipping dock, a canal, a skyscraper, a pipeline, or some giant factory. 

Bureaucracies do not create prosperity; they can at most manage prosperity. Here's a hint: the Old Order Amish live without bureaucracy, and they have few white-collar jobs. They have limited education and technology, but I can imagine far worse ways to live. They can prosper by standards of most of the world. They don't have televisions or sound equipment; they don't have video and music collections; but lacking those is far better than having collections of soul-rotting pornography or cynical rap music.         

Quote:This is done in part through democracy.

Flawed as it is, democracy is so far the only political system that does not depend upon the fundamental decency of a ruler. The democratic institutions built into our system frustrated Richard Nixon in the 1970's, and they stopped Donald Trump during the last four years from doing all that he wanted to do. Rule of law and checks-and-balances may be more essential than democratic elections. People can still elect someone whose commitment to democratic norms is suspect. Remember well that the Iranian regime, one of the most egregious violators of human rights, initially had an elected parliament and President. 

Crises are hard times... but they are necessary for keeping people from doing certain follies. Sometimes people must have their delusions shattered, including their class pretensions, their image of personal competence, the dogmas of the recent past (Lincoln again), their transitory will, and even their valuation of safety and comfort. Sometimes the best course of action for a well-educated person who expects an easy life is to take a job that works him to exhaustion on near-starvation wages, exposes him to the reality of mortal danger of death or crippling at any moment, that offers neither economic security not obvious prospects of long-term gain, and has harsh and demanding management while testing the physical part of life for which a sophisticated education does not prepare one. Welcome to the Army, soldier! Hitler and Tojo want you dead, and we might be unable to stop that. You will need to do your best just to survive without making a disgrace of yourself. 

Maybe this time we will have big infrastructure projects that depend heavily upon raw labor. Construction work is hard and dangerous, and it is usually done in harsh conditions. So perhaps (and I am thinking of the biggest such highway project that I can imagine) transforming US-83 into an Interstate. Maybe kids who got putrid education in bad urban schools will learn how to use shovels, and kids who learned how to discuss The Brothers Karamazov will discover that while operating construction machines or doing surveying that there is more to learn than what a college education can teach. Such might forestall a depression. 

Quote:Taxes and laws are still legitimate.

Just to protect the formality of property, such is the cornerstone of capitalist (or even socialist) prosperity, taxes and laws are essential. Property rights require police, courts of civil and criminal law, and prisons -- all of which require government.
  

Quote:I could go on.  The bottom line is that you don’t become a respected writer by listing lies.   You only expose your ignorance.

I'm not sure that I get respect as a writer, but I at least fact-check and try to recognize paradoxes and violations of such rules as the first, second, and third laws of thermodynamics which apply as much to economics as they do to chemistry and physics.

[Adar]

The globalists have Bilderberg and Davos and support the NWO, Great Reset, and Agenda 2030.

The elites have more wealth than 60% of the global population.

https://time.com/5768346/billionaires-wealth/1

https://thefrisky.com/10-families-that-c...the-world/

Americans say that the ruling class needs workers and doesn't want to kill off the 99%, but why do the globalists plan to cull the population through homosexuality, suicides, birth control, abortion, starvation, and war?

If the ruling powers do not plan to kill off the population then why is the US population projected to fall from 330 million to 99 million by 2025?

https://pfcleadership.org/blog/2019/09/1...l-by-2025/

If the globalists support population growth then why do the globalists support homosexuality?

https://www.rooshv.com/the-american-elite-hates-america

If the elites love Americans then why do the ruling powers want to weaken and divide the US by promoting welfare, regulations, and illegal immigration?

If the globalists want to increase the population then why does Bill Gates promote vaccines, birth control, and abortion?

https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/04/louis...ronavirus/

If the ruling class wants population growth then why are the globalists promoting tyranny that killed millions of people in Nazi Germany, USSR, China, and Cambodia?

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/co...37739.html

https://www.thoughtco.com/population-dec...ia-1435266

If the globalists want workers then why do the elites support technology and robots?

https://dronedj.com/2021/02/22/tevel-tec...fficiency/

If the ruling powers support population growth then why do the globalists want to funnel the 99% into cities so that they can be starved and killed?

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/...215000002/

Think.

[Eric the Green]

(03-07-2021, 11:14 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(03-07-2021, 08:50 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Huh?  That seems contradictory.  You can’t be a respected writer using that style of writing.
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I could go on.  The bottom line is that you don’t become a respected writer by listing lies.   You only expose your ignorance.

Again, our resident paranoid has unleashed a barrage of new accounts. As long as they remain wacky but considerate, they will all get the opportunity to flourish(?)  Get your popcorn. It should be fun... sorta.

He never engages in conversation. His only purpose is to spout his dogma. He never learns anything from the rest of us. I myself don't like so many threads posted just for the purpose of spouting dogma.

[Adar]

Americans used to believe in free speech.

[Bob Butler 54]

(03-07-2021, 10:33 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(03-07-2021, 11:14 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(03-07-2021, 08:50 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Huh?  That seems contradictory.  You can’t be a respected writer using that style of writing.
...
I could go on.  The bottom line is that you don’t become a respected writer by listing lies.   You only expose your ignorance.

Again, our resident paranoid has unleashed a barrage of new accounts. As long as they remain wacky but considerate, they will all get the opportunity to flourish(?)  Get your popcorn. It should be fun... sorta.

He never engages in conversation. His only purpose is to spout his dogma. He never learns anything from the rest of us. I myself don't like so many threads posted just for the purpose of spouting dogma.

Agreed.  Not considerate.  If he would just create a single thread and put all his posts there that would be fine.  As is, he pushes all other threads off the front page while never engaging in conversation.

[pbrower2a]

(03-07-2021, 10:39 PM)Adar Wrote: Americans used to believe in free speech.

Speech has consequences. It is perfectly legal to say that an elected public official is an idiot or a crook. I've said some very nasty things about Donald Trump and I am now saying nasty things about Andrew Cuomo. It's not all partisan. I've said unflattering things about former Detroit Mayor Kwame "Crook" Patrick and about former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich.  Get the spotlight and your misconduct will be in the spotlight, whether you are a film star, pop musician, televangelist, academic, or pro athlete. Celebrities such as Lindsey Lohan or Paris Hilton who are famous without obvious reason find that when they get drunk and obnoxious, then such makes the news and looks bad. Maybe one can hide extreme misconduct with the aid of people in the Business, but eventually infamy overpowers ability and one goes from being the Beloved Bill Cosby into a convicted serial rapist whom just about everyone despises. Fame is the most overrated commodity in the world. You may have seen the moniker I attached to a certain star of talk radio: "Rash Libel". I have seen nastier names, but that one is fitting and family-friendly. He may have seen what I called him. That is fine with me!

Some people handle fame well. My suggestion to such people is to do nothing that attracts attention for the wrong reasons. OK, you can found a children's cancer hospital as did Danny Thomas, but that is his character. If I were a screen actor or pop musician I would live more like a businessman than like a participant in the celebrity circus. Showy indulgence is for schmucks. Criminal acts are far too risky for my taste. Drunkenness in public? That is for losers.

Bad consequences come when one uses speech in the furtherance of a crime. I obviously have no right to say "This is a stickup" in a bank. Bad consequences come when one uses speech in ways that abuse authority and trust. So let us say that I am teaching school and say that heroin is wonderful. Or I do accounting fraud and cover it up. Being paid to teach, to do the books, to command... that brings responsibility in return for some privilege.

There are certain offensive words that I do not say involving race, ethnicity, gender preference, religion, and some others. Some are simply ugly and make me look bad.

[Adar]

Everyday the US just gets worse.

Americans walk around like zombies thinking everything is fine.

The Bill of Rights has been repealed.

The debt just keeps growing.

The US is conducting multiple wars, but the government won't say where, protesting is illegal, and Americans are too degraded to care.

Americans are so retarded and blinded by hate now that they hate illegal immigrants, love trade wars, want guns banned, want the minimum wage raised, and demand that college be free.

The elites are trying to mop up any remaining shred of liberty by banning declawing, sunscreen, straws, texting, vaping, and dog meat and Americans praise every asinine decree.

Americans used to fight Nazis and Commies, but now have become Nazis and Commies.

Americans used to love morality, personal responsibility, balanced budgets, peace, and freedom, but now Americans love immorality, dependence, debt, war, and tyranny.

The US collapse is one of the most disgusting events in history.

Maybe the USA won't collapse for 30 more years, but the US imploding next year seems just as likely.

Why not get out while you can?