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#41
Bark!

Nice to have this forum.
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#42
(05-19-2016, 12:56 AM)Bad Dog Wrote: Bark!




From my black lab to you, man. Cool

Nice to have this forum.
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#43
(05-19-2016, 02:47 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:
(05-19-2016, 12:56 AM)Bad Dog Wrote: Bark!




From my black lab to you, man. Cool

Nice to have this forum.

Brought this forum up when I saw that for no other reason than to exploit how there seems to be only a fraction of the posters here that there were on the old forum. Anybody care to speculate as to why?
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#44
(06-29-2019, 09:58 AM)beechnut79 Wrote:
(05-19-2016, 02:47 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:
(05-19-2016, 12:56 AM)Bad Dog Wrote: Bark!




From my black lab to you, man. Cool

Nice to have this forum.

Brought this forum up when I saw that for no other reason than to exploit how there seems to be only a fraction of the posters here that there were on the old forum. Anybody care to speculate as to why?

-- can't speak 4 others, but as 4 myself l don't seem 2 have the time 2 post as much as l used 2. I still lurk from time 2 time. Hopefully this forum will still be around in 6 yrs when l plan 2 be fully retired
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#45
(06-29-2019, 09:58 AM)beechnut79 Wrote:
(05-19-2016, 02:47 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:
(05-19-2016, 12:56 AM)Bad Dog Wrote: Bark!




From my black lab to you, man. Cool

Nice to have this forum.

Brought this forum up when I saw that for no other reason than to exploit how there seems to be only a fraction of the posters here that there were on the old forum. Anybody care to speculate as to why?

Yes, there are several reasons. A large group split off because they thought we were too uncivil and polarizing, and formed a secret "4T friends" facebook group. Several posters are still posting here who are real turn-offs; I'm not claiming myself to be beyond reproach either, you understand. Also, Strauss and Howe themselves started the forum, and Mr. Strauss contributed to it often himself, but Strauss died, and Howe abandoned it, and now Mr. Howe doesn't even link it to his websites. Furthermore, this site does not translate well on smart phones; the print is too small. It must be the pre-formed formatted type of site that this is. Even my own personal sites translate better; the type appears larger than this one on my phone.

I agree though, it's still nice to have this forum.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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#46
I agree, this forum is good to have. We get some good discussions going sometimes. It is a niche place for turnings theory fans.

The FB group isn't super secret or anything. If anyone here wants to join, I am happy to invite them. You just have to remember that it is by social media rules. You will be posting with your public profile. You will have to friend someone who is already in the group and you may get other friend requests. The FB group is pretty active but the format here, frankly, is better for in depth discussions.
Steve Barrera

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#47
I am very surprised as they had literally said they are selective about who joins because they didn't want the abusive nature over there and wanted discussion that was not going to start fights. Constructive discussion and they wanted it kept secret which I felt wrong. Guess that millennial inclusion trait is coming through strong here. It felt wrong for that reason. I ended up leaving because I felt it not the place for me when it deliberately excludes people and doesn't like people being aware of its presence and that they cant join which is what it certainly was like when I was over there. They were against Eric joining when I had asked if he could join. Back when I was naïve as to why people downed on him of course. Of course since then someone had actually invited him there and I wonder what they secretly thought about that after saying a big flat out NO when I asked them. If Eric sees this comment he cant say that is a lie either because he did not believe me there was a group and he found I told the truth. That is the truth too. I asked them. They didn't want him over there then. I believe the reason was they said because he seems to be the cause for arguments. Hey least I am honest and not saying it behind his back.
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#48
(07-01-2019, 07:16 AM)taramarie Wrote: I am very surprised as they had literally said they are selective about who joins because they didn't want the abusive nature over there and wanted discussion that was not going to start fights. Constructive discussion and they wanted it kept secret which I felt wrong. Guess that millennial inclusion trait is coming through strong here. It felt wrong for that reason. I ended up leaving because I felt it not the place for me when it deliberately excludes people and doesn't like people being aware of its presence and that they cant join which is what it certainly was like when I was over there. They were against Eric joining when I had asked if he could join. Back when I was naïve as to why people downed on him of course. Of course since then someone had actually invited him there and I wonder what they secretly thought about that after saying a big flat out NO when I asked them. If Eric sees this comment he cant say that is a lie either because he did not believe me there was a group and he found I told the truth. That is the truth too. I asked them. They didn't want him over there then. I believe the reason was they said because he seems to be the cause for arguments. Hey least I am honest and not saying it behind his back.

I always enjoyed his astrology-based perspectives on the past, present and future and never understood why he was as maligned as he was. But there were a couple of those over on the old forum which I certainly don't miss. I was never aware of a secret FB group so guess I won't be joining that one.
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#49
(07-01-2019, 11:35 AM)beechnut79 Wrote:
(07-01-2019, 07:16 AM)taramarie Wrote: I am very surprised as they had literally said they are selective about who joins because they didn't want the abusive nature over there and wanted discussion that was not going to start fights. Constructive discussion and they wanted it kept secret which I felt wrong. Guess that millennial inclusion trait is coming through strong here. It felt wrong for that reason. I ended up leaving because I felt it not the place for me when it deliberately excludes people and doesn't like people being aware of its presence and that they cant join which is what it certainly was like when I was over there. They were against Eric joining when I had asked if he could join. Back when I was naïve as to why people downed on him of course. Of course since then someone had actually invited him there and I wonder what they secretly thought about that after saying a big flat out NO when I asked them. If Eric sees this comment he cant say that is a lie either because he did not believe me there was a group and he found I told the truth. That is the truth too. I asked them. They didn't want him over there then. I believe the reason was they said because he seems to be the cause for arguments. Hey least I am honest and not saying it behind his back.

I always enjoyed his astrology-based perspectives on the past, present and future and never understood why he was as maligned as he was. But there were a couple of those over on the old forum which I certainly don't miss. I was never aware of a secret FB group so guess I won't be joining that one.
Yeah I left partly because it was excluding people. There was literally only one right winger over there for example and the rest are blue boomers. Was when I was over there. They have their rules. I decided I liked the total freedom over here and that it is far more inclusive. I cant speak for how it is today but it is a secret group for a reason. Because they didn't want to be found.
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#50
As I admit, my posts can be argumentative sometimes. Occasionally a few of the admins there (former posters here like Millennial Xer, Chas88 and Amy'85) don't like what I post. But I have managed to survive and stay peaceful most of the time there. Most of the posters there are on the left politically, but there are some conservatives and they are not usually bullied or harassed. This site is only slightly-less liberal or left than that one.

I say beware of Taramarie; she lies and bullies, and cannot be reasoned with or corrected.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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#51
(07-01-2019, 11:18 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: As I admit, my posts can be argumentative sometimes. Occasionally a few of the admins there (former posters here like Millennial Xer, Chas88 and Amy'85) don't like what I post. But I have managed to survive and stay peaceful most of the time there. Most of the posters there are on the left politically, but there are some conservatives and they are not usually bullied or harassed. This site is only slightly-less liberal or left than that one.

I say beware of Taramarie; she lies and bullies, and cannot be reasoned with or corrected.

Eric unfortunately this is the truth and I was about to add you into that group when I was over there but they said no so I didn't add you but felt it was wrong. I don't like groups that are not inclusive no matter what their reason is. They were afraid of a break in the peace over there. It is unfortunately the truth. It doesn't matter what you say about you being the cause of dispute or not, that is what they said and I am not a backstabber who says things and doesn't tell you straight up. They did not like that I told you guys about the group and they would not like that I am telling you this now as they like to "keep the peace" which means, putting on a fake face in person and saying things behind people's back. Others who left say the same thing. I am the only one who was in the group who is telling you the truth whether you wish to believe it or not. They said you are not argumentative however being an extreme left wing who is stubborn was the cause and would make for little debate that would move anywhere forward and could cause through that disruption to the peace. It is not the argument, it is the stubbornness according to them. Are you peaceful? Yes usually. We agree on this. If you don't believe it is your right. But that is not the truth you believe. I actually back then was quite sad. I felt that I could protect you by adding you to what I thought was a nicer group. However their non inclusiveness eventually got to me, and then we had some disagreements which caused me to change my tune.
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#52
(07-01-2019, 06:24 AM)sbarrera Wrote: I agree, this forum is good to have. We get some good discussions going sometimes. It is a niche place for turnings theory fans.

The FB group isn't super secret or anything. If anyone here wants to join, I am happy to invite them. You just have to remember that it is by social media rules. You will be posting with your public profile. You will have to friend someone who is already in the group and you may get other friend requests. The FB group is pretty active but the format here, frankly, is better for in depth discussions.

I was invited to the FB group a long time ago, but just can't do it.  FB is, quite literally, a turnoff.  I'll suffer along with the limited number of posters here, rather than migrate there.  

And yes: discussions are better on a forum than they are on ANY social media site.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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#53
(07-01-2019, 07:16 AM)taramarie Wrote: I am very surprised as they had literally said they are selective about who joins because they didn't want the abusive nature over there and wanted discussion that was not going to start fights. Constructive discussion and they wanted it kept secret which I felt wrong. Guess that millennial inclusion trait is coming through strong here. It felt wrong for that reason. I ended up leaving because I felt it not the place for me when it deliberately excludes people and doesn't like people being aware of its presence and that they cant join which is what it certainly was like when I was over there. They were against Eric joining when I had asked if he could join. Back when I was naïve as to why people downed on him of course. Of course since then someone had actually invited him there and I wonder what they secretly thought about that after saying a big flat out NO when I asked them. If Eric sees this comment he cant say that is a lie either because he did not believe me there was a group and he found I told the truth. That is the truth too. I asked them. They didn't want him over there then. I believe the reason was they said because he seems to be the cause for arguments. Hey least I am honest and not saying it behind his back.

I may look at the world through rose-tinted glasses compared to you, Tara. I didn't know about this with Eric before, but I would say he fits in with the group fine now that he is in. I actually think it is righties who have a hard time there because of the strong left/liberal/blue state bias.
Steve Barrera

[A]lthough one would like to change today's world back to the spirit of one hundred years or more ago, it cannot be done. Thus it is important to make the best out of every generation. - Hagakure

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#54
Facebook is more suited to quips than to analysis. It is not good for adding links or images as this site is.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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#55
(07-02-2019, 06:24 PM)sbarrera Wrote:
(07-01-2019, 07:16 AM)taramarie Wrote: I am very surprised as they had literally said they are selective about who joins because they didn't want the abusive nature over there and wanted discussion that was not going to start fights. Constructive discussion and they wanted it kept secret which I felt wrong. Guess that millennial inclusion trait is coming through strong here. It felt wrong for that reason. I ended up leaving because I felt it not the place for me when it deliberately excludes people and doesn't like people being aware of its presence and that they cant join which is what it certainly was like when I was over there. They were against Eric joining when I had asked if he could join. Back when I was naïve as to why people downed on him of course. Of course since then someone had actually invited him there and I wonder what they secretly thought about that after saying a big flat out NO when I asked them. If Eric sees this comment he cant say that is a lie either because he did not believe me there was a group and he found I told the truth. That is the truth too. I asked them. They didn't want him over there then. I believe the reason was they said because he seems to be the cause for arguments. Hey least I am honest and not saying it behind his back.

I may look at the world through rose-tinted glasses compared to you, Tara. I didn't know about this with Eric before, but I would say he fits in with the group fine now that he is in. I actually think it is righties who have a hard time there because of the strong left/liberal/blue state bias.
Last time I was there there was only one true right winger. Shoot....cant remember his name now. He was nice though and there were quite a few independents there and a lot of blue voters. Well im not saying Eric is argumentative. Not at all. I am just repeating what was said to me when I asked the group if he could join as back then they said they rather they know who is joining because they liked to make sure there would be no fights there. Hence why they made it secret. So it cant be found and harder for people to join. They were worried about people from here joining. Not sure who had invited him in but I am actually glad he is in the group now. I had asked if he could join and I hope he enjoys it over there. That was my original intention and back then I was not sure why they were so concerned about him joining. They had said that it was because of his stubborn nature around certain topics and that can cause some hassle with discussion. Of course back then I had no clue as I had just arrived on the old forum. I figured it could be a nicer option for Eric as I felt sorry for him. They didn't let me add him. Im glad that he does get along well in the group. Hopefully their concerns were all for nothing. Ill add that it was mostly everyone who said no. Some said could be interesting him being in the group. Others said yes. Most said no. I was rather disappointed and confused. But to finish up, I am glad he is there now.
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#56
(07-02-2019, 06:24 PM)sbarrera Wrote:
(07-01-2019, 07:16 AM)taramarie Wrote: I am very surprised as they had literally said they are selective about who joins because they didn't want the abusive nature over there and wanted discussion that was not going to start fights. Constructive discussion and they wanted it kept secret which I felt wrong. Guess that millennial inclusion trait is coming through strong here. It felt wrong for that reason. I ended up leaving because I felt it not the place for me when it deliberately excludes people and doesn't like people being aware of its presence and that they cant join which is what it certainly was like when I was over there. They were against Eric joining when I had asked if he could join. Back when I was naïve as to why people downed on him of course. Of course since then someone had actually invited him there and I wonder what they secretly thought about that after saying a big flat out NO when I asked them. If Eric sees this comment he cant say that is a lie either because he did not believe me there was a group and he found I told the truth. That is the truth too. I asked them. They didn't want him over there then. I believe the reason was they said because he seems to be the cause for arguments. Hey least I am honest and not saying it behind his back.

I may look at the world through rose-tinted glasses compared to you, Tara. I didn't know about this with Eric before, but I would say he fits in with the group fine now that he is in. I actually think it is righties who have a hard time there because of the strong left/liberal/blue state bias.
As for that, well perhaps. But regarding this unfortunately it was many against a few in the vote. I was for him joining. I was the one who tried to get him into the group. Majority said no and gave their reasons why. Back then I was "rose tinted glasses" on what they were concerned about. My major turn off about the fact they did that was that it was not an inclusive group. I say was as I will not speak for how it is nowadays due to me not being there. But as for whether I am rose tinted glasses with my perspective on life, true, not really. I consider myself more of a realist, even though I am a creative individual. I would say I am a pragmatic idealist. A typical civic. Nothing special. But with regards to rose tinted glasses on Eric in particular, back then I did not know much about him. I get now why they said he is stubborn but I don't hold it against him. I just wish he was more inclusive and open minded when it comes to culture and I just don't like his views on certain touches towards people. We have things we disagree on. It is his choice he doesn't chat to me. We have our differences.
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#57
Good thing you can block people on FB. Eric doesn't make any discussion group better. As if he wanted to prove that Boomers want to make any group about them.
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#58
Yes it is a wonderful bonus of fb. Here you cant. But I find this group more entertaining and it is more inclusive than that group I left. If he is happy with the group I tried to add him to long ago, he can have it.
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