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Who is more selfish, Silent or Boom?
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See subject line. From your experience, which of these two generations is more selfish?

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(07-06-2016, 04:52 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: See subject line. From your experience, which of these two generations is more selfish?

From my experience the silent have more patience and use things till they break. My grandparents saved and have no debt as they did not rely on credit cards. My boomer mother on the other hand does not have patience and likes to overuse credit card trapping us both in her debt. When it comes to marriage, my grandparents worked together (my nana passed away hence past tense) and believed in compromise. My parents had a fling, it did not work out and 1 income household meant worse poverty. They could not compromise as too idealistic on what they wanted. However raising a child in a volatile environment is also a bad idea. Worse in fact. Silent outside my circle seem to be much more kindly, polite (remember i work at a rest home). Boomers seem much more opinionated, feisty, blunt and pushy with their ideals being everyone's ideal and whatever opinion is outside theirs is wrong. However that does not mean they are aholes. My favourite teacher was a boomer who was all of that but always full of smiles and is inspirational. I have a lot of respect for the gnomologist as he calls himself. This is just from my experience as the title asks for.
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(07-06-2016, 06:33 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:
(07-06-2016, 05:26 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(07-06-2016, 04:52 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: See subject line. From your experience, which of these two generations is more selfish?

From my experience the silent have more patience and use things till they break. My grandparents saved and have no debt as they did not rely on credit cards. My boomer mother on the other hand does not have patience and likes to overuse credit card trapping us both in her debt. When it comes to marriage, my grandparents worked together (my nana passed away hence past tense) and believed in compromise. My parents had a fling, it did not work out and 1 income household meant worse poverty. They could not compromise as too idealistic on what they wanted. However raising a child in a volatile environment is also a bad idea. Worse in fact. Silent outside my circle seem to be much more kindly, polite (remember i work at a rest home). Boomers seem much more opinionated, feisty, blunt and pushy with their ideals being everyone's ideal and whatever opinion is outside theirs is wrong. However that does not mean they are aholes. My favourite teacher was a boomer who was all of that but always full of smiles and is inspirational. I have a lot of respect for the gnomologist as he calls himself. This is just from my experience as the title asks for.

Since your Mom is a Boomer I'm guessing your Grands are older Silents. My own experience is with my Parents and their cohort, 2nd wave Silents. In fact, as I shared on the old forum, my parents were / are (one passed sort of young, hence the mixed tense) wanna be Boomers in many respects. Dope smoking hippies when they were in their 30s and a bit beyond. Late in life my Dad "resdiscovered" weed via the channel of "medical Canabis." But that's not the issue. The issue is that, after much observation and soul searching, I've come to the conclusion that my folks really regret having kids. They went with the program and had kids, just shy of the full force of the sexual revolution. Had they been just a little younger, it is likely they would have been child free by choice. That's a fine choice by the way, been there done that wrote the book. But when you have kids then decide later you wish you didn't, that's bad mojo.

I look at many of their life decisions and comportment over the past several years and can only conclude this is the case.
Yes, my mother was born late '57 in canada. My grandparents both born in England. Grandpa was born 1927 and my nana 1931. They were careless around babysitting me sometimes. That I know. My mother would go ballistic at them about that. If it had been up to them i would have died. Yes literally. Luckily my mother was there to save me on many occasions. Yes it is all opinion and experienced based though. Our life experiences colour the way we see the world. But it is the trends towards certain behaviour that are common are what we should be looking at to answer which is more selfish. I wonder why we only have two options. What about xers or millies for example? Why not those options too? I would be interested in perspectives of those options too.
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In my experience it is the Silents who have the strongest "I got mine, fuck you" attitude. The Boomers' issues are more with dogmatism and preachiness, not with selfishness.
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#5
The boomers for sure.
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#6
Gen X, clearly.

Seriously, this is not the kind of discussion subject that promotes understanding among generations.
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Boomers
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(10-15-2016, 08:42 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Gen X, clearly.

Seriously, this is not the kind of discussion subject that promotes understanding among generations.

But when I try to tell you How to understand xer culture you ignore that and prefer to bash it. So you certainly are not helping with your prejudice against that generation.
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(10-15-2016, 08:42 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Gen X, clearly.



Boom elites.




Seriously, this is not the kind of discussion subject that promotes understanding among generations.

I added a qualifier, silly Tongue


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#10
The 4T has made me feel deprived so it makes me wanna have as much as I can have. As the 4T goes on, I feel the deprivation more and more.
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The 4T here in NZ has made me feel connected to my community as well as a larger drive to achieve my dreams because it is that much harder as well as help others achieve their dreams including my mother.
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#12
Boomers, hands down. If the scope were larger, the answer would likely be the same.
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(10-15-2016, 11:02 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(10-15-2016, 08:42 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Gen X, clearly.

Seriously, this is not the kind of discussion subject that promotes understanding among generations.

But when I try to tell you How to understand xer culture you ignore that and prefer to bash it. So you certainly are not helping with your prejudice against that generation.

Sounds about right. LOTS (not all) of boomers project their shadows onto Xers. A true sign of selfishness. Tara, I wouldn't hold your breath on hoping a boomer will have any interest in understanding Xer culture. Mostly they make it out to be something it isn't & attack that. This strawman tactic isn't intentional, it is born of hubris and irrational exuberance that comes from the privilege of living in a boom... I have started thinking of it in a similar fashion as white privilege: hard to see when it has worked to your advantage & shrouded in a cloud of denial that protects an identity wrapped around "hard work", "paying taxes", "I earned it" and the like. It scares the hell out of them to have history write a different view of them. Who can blame them? When you have always lived in a boom, you think it is because of your abilities, not your circumstances. Thus the hubris and confusion about why the boom is over. But don't expect compassion from them, because as you will hear from them over and again, "everyone generation has its challenges". The good news is that eventually, the reality will set in that there is more to life than selfishness masquerading as "individualism" when pain, sickness and old age will direct boomer attention to what is truly most important to them: the relationships that they have neglected... Should their humbleness overtake their pride. And it should.
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(11-22-2016, 07:13 PM)Saint Stephen Wrote:
(10-15-2016, 11:02 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(10-15-2016, 08:42 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Gen X, clearly.

Seriously, this is not the kind of discussion subject that promotes understanding among generations.

But when I try to tell you How to understand xer culture you ignore that and prefer to bash it. So you certainly are not helping with your prejudice against that generation.

Sounds about right. LOTS (not all) of boomers project their shadows onto Xers. A true sign of selfishness. Tara, I wouldn't hold your breath on hoping a boomer will have any interest in understanding Xer culture. Mostly they make it out to be something it isn't & attack that. This strawman tactic isn't intentional, it is born of hubris and irrational exuberance that comes from the privilege of living in a boom... I have started thinking of it in a similar fashion as white privilege: hard to see when it has worked to your advantage & shrouded in a cloud of denial that protects an identity wrapped around "hard work", "paying taxes", "I earned it" and the like. It scares the hell out of them to have history write a different view of them. Who can blame them? When you have always lived in a boom, you think it is because of your abilities, not your circumstances. Thus the hubris and confusion about why the boom is over. But don't expect compassion from them, because as you will hear from them over and again, "everyone generation has its challenges". The good news is that eventually, the reality will set in that there is more to life than selfishness masquerading as "individualism" when pain, sickness and old age will direct boomer attention to what is truly most important to them: the relationships that they have neglected... Should their humbleness overtake their pride. And it should.
Well said. Welcome to the forum, Stephen. Brace yourself for a lot of xer bashing from Eric. I am not an xer but i do not like destructive people like him. So I defend xers. I have done the same when boomers are bashed unreasonably too.
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(11-22-2016, 07:35 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(11-22-2016, 07:13 PM)Saint Stephen Wrote:
(10-15-2016, 11:02 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(10-15-2016, 08:42 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Gen X, clearly.

Seriously, this is not the kind of discussion subject that promotes understanding among generations.

But when I try to tell you How to understand xer culture you ignore that and prefer to bash it. So you certainly are not helping with your prejudice against that generation.

Sounds about right. LOTS (not all) of boomers project their shadows onto Xers. A true sign of selfishness. Tara, I wouldn't hold your breath on hoping a boomer will have any interest in understanding Xer culture. Mostly they make it out to be something it isn't & attack that. This strawman tactic isn't intentional, it is born of hubris and irrational exuberance that comes from the privilege of living in a boom... I have started thinking of it in a similar fashion as white privilege: hard to see when it has worked to your advantage & shrouded in a cloud of denial that protects an identity wrapped around "hard work", "paying taxes", "I earned it" and the like. It scares the hell out of them to have history write a different view of them. Who can blame them? When you have always lived in a boom, you think it is because of your abilities, not your circumstances. Thus the hubris and confusion about why the boom is over. But don't expect compassion from them, because as you will hear from them over and again, "everyone generation has its challenges". The good news is that eventually, the reality will set in that there is more to life than selfishness masquerading as "individualism" when pain, sickness and old age will direct boomer attention to what is truly most important to them: the relationships that they have neglected... Should their humbleness overtake their pride. And it should.
Well said. Welcome to the forum, Stephen. Brace yourself for a lot of xer bashing from Eric. I am not an xer but i do not like destructive people like him. So I defend xers. I have done the same when boomers are bashed unreasonably too.
Maybe, but its really hard to unreasonably bash a Boomer. Wink
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My mom is a Silent.

From my experience it is the boomers who are most selfish.

and as for whoever wrote that the longer this 4T drags on makes them want to have more, yeah I get that feeling too.

I'm getting the itch to drag home another project motorcycle and re-build it like I did my last one about 10 years or so back. I'm getting the desire again to take whatever I have left of my physical abilities before the lupus steals it all from me and go live it balls to the wall on the ragged edge of madness that is the biggest adrenaline rush you can get while not under the influence of chemical stupidity.

So there's that in my estimation from comparing boomer mother in law side by side with a silent mom, my silent mom is awesome, my late mother in law prepared for nothing and expected everything on a silver platter.
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(11-22-2016, 07:13 PM)Saint Stephen Wrote:
(10-15-2016, 11:02 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(10-15-2016, 08:42 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Gen X, clearly.

Seriously, this is not the kind of discussion subject that promotes understanding among generations.

But when I try to tell you How to understand xer culture you ignore that and prefer to bash it. So you certainly are not helping with your prejudice against that generation.

Sounds about right. LOTS (not all) of boomers project their shadows onto Xers. A true sign of selfishness. Tara, I wouldn't hold your breath on hoping a boomer will have any interest in understanding Xer culture. Mostly they make it out to be something it isn't & attack that. This strawman tactic isn't intentional, it is born of hubris and irrational exuberance that comes from the privilege of living in a boom... I have started thinking of it in a similar fashion as white privilege: hard to see when it has worked to your advantage & shrouded in a cloud of denial that protects an identity wrapped around "hard work", "paying taxes", "I earned it" and the like. It scares the hell out of them to have history write a different view of them. Who can blame them? When you have always lived in a boom, you think it is because of your abilities, not your circumstances. Thus the hubris and confusion about why the boom is over. But don't expect compassion from them, because as you will hear from them over and again, "everyone generation has its challenges". The good news is that eventually, the reality will set in that there is more to life than selfishness masquerading as "individualism" when pain, sickness and old age will direct boomer attention to what is truly most important to them: the relationships that they have neglected... Should their humbleness overtake their pride. And it should.

And yet there you are, judging boomers by X standards.  Relationships may be what's most important to you, but that doesn't mean they're what's most important to boomers.
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(11-23-2016, 05:22 AM)Danilynn Wrote: My mom is a Silent.

From my experience it is the boomers who are most selfish.

and as for whoever wrote that the longer this 4T drags on makes them want to have more, yeah I get that feeling too.

I'm getting the itch to drag home another project motorcycle and re-build it like I did my last one about 10 years or so back. I'm getting the desire again to take whatever I have left of my physical abilities before the lupus steals it all from me and go live it balls to the wall on the ragged edge of madness that is the biggest adrenaline rush you can get while not under the influence of chemical stupidity.

So there's that in my estimation from comparing boomer mother in law side by side with a silent mom, my silent mom is awesome, my late mother in law prepared for nothing and expected everything on a silver platter.

Elite Boomers may be the most selfish  people who have ever lived. They demand deference to their demands, and have been able to get such deference from fellow Boomers.

Non-elite Boomers may not be so troublesome.
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(11-22-2016, 07:13 PM)Saint Stephen Wrote:
(10-15-2016, 11:02 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(10-15-2016, 08:42 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Gen X, clearly.

Seriously, this is not the kind of discussion subject that promotes understanding among generations.

But when I try to tell you How to understand xer culture you ignore that and prefer to bash it. So you certainly are not helping with your prejudice against that generation.

Sounds about right. LOTS (not all) of boomers project their shadows onto Xers. A true sign of selfishness. Tara, I wouldn't hold your breath on hoping a boomer will have any interest in understanding Xer culture. Mostly they make it out to be something it isn't & attack that. This strawman tactic isn't intentional, it is born of hubris and irrational exuberance that comes from the privilege of living in a boom... I have started thinking of it in a similar fashion as white privilege: hard to see when it has worked to your advantage & shrouded in a cloud of denial that protects an identity wrapped around "hard work", "paying taxes", "I earned it" and the like. It scares the hell out of them to have history write a different view of them. Who can blame them? When you have always lived in a boom, you think it is because of your abilities, not your circumstances. Thus the hubris and confusion about why the boom is over. But don't expect compassion from them, because as you will hear from them over and again, "everyone generation has its challenges". The good news is that eventually, the reality will set in that there is more to life than selfishness masquerading as "individualism" when pain, sickness and old age will direct boomer attention to what is truly most important to them: the relationships that they have neglected... Should their humbleness overtake their pride. And it should.
I have said many times that the Boomers were more guilty of excessive hubris than were the GIs whose hurbris they rebelled against during their youth. Not only did a significant number of Boomers become the parents they once ridiculed, but they expanded on it.
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(09-13-2017, 03:50 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:
(11-23-2016, 05:22 AM)Danilynn Wrote: My mom is a Silent.

From my experience it is the boomers who are most selfish.

and as for whoever wrote that the longer this 4T drags on makes them want to have more, yeah I get that feeling too.

I'm getting the itch to drag home another project motorcycle and re-build it like I did my last one about 10 years or so back. I'm getting the desire again to take whatever I have left of my physical abilities before the lupus steals it all from me and go live it balls to the wall on the ragged edge of madness that is the biggest adrenaline rush you can get while not under the influence of chemical stupidity.

So there's that in my estimation from comparing boomer mother in law side by side with a silent mom, my silent mom is awesome, my late mother in law prepared for nothing and expected everything on a silver platter.

Elite Boomers may be the most selfish  people who have ever lived. They demand deference to their demands, and have been able to get such deference from fellow Boomers.

Non-elite Boomers may not be so troublesome.
To top it off, we have one of those elite Boomers in the White House now. Perhaps the moment of reckoning is just around the corner after years of stagnation about moving society in a more humane direction.
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