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most Americans think too many people are easily offended
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http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/201...-offended/



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At a time when the appropriateness of language has become a political issue, most Americans (59%) say “too many people are easily offended these days over the language that others use.” Fewer (39%) think “people need to be more careful about the language they use to avoid offending people with different backgrounds.”

A new national survey by Pew Research Center finds substantial partisan, racial and gender differences on this question...

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/201...-offended/
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I can think of one person who posts here that is "too easily offended."
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(08-03-2016, 02:54 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I can think of one person who posts here that is "too easily offended."

Easily offended or notices you consistently do not consider other people's feelings hmm?
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(08-03-2016, 09:05 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 02:54 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I can think of one person who posts here that is "too easily offended."

Easily offended or notices you consistently do not consider other people's feelings hmm?

Obviously isn't me.  I'd have to consider Eric's opinions worthy of consideration first before I could possibly be offended by them.  That said he has no consideration for the feelings of others or for their thoughts/values (which to me is far more important--feelings are ephemeral).

Then again Eric is a solipsist.

That being said I think the problem isn't what X-mox..fuck it Alphabet Soup...thinks it is.  I think most Americans who answered the poll are offended by the perpetually offended.  That these perpetually offended folks primarily live on what passes for a left (meaning Regressive Leftists rather than actual liberals--most people in the US are at least liberals in the sense of being classical liberals) in the US it totally explains why Republicans and Independents voted the way they did in the poll.
It really is all mathematics.

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(08-03-2016, 11:31 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 09:05 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 02:54 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I can think of one person who posts here that is "too easily offended."

Easily offended or notices you consistently do not consider other people's feelings hmm?

Obviously isn't me.  I'd have to consider Eric's opinions worthy of consideration first before I could possibly be offended by them.  That said he has no consideration for the feelings of others or for their thoughts/values (which to me is far more important--feelings are ephemeral).

Then again Eric is a solipsist.

That being said I think the problem isn't what X-mox..fuck it Alphabet Soup...thinks it is.  I think most Americans who answered the poll are offended by the perpetually offended.  That these perpetually offended folks primarily live on what passes for a left (meaning Regressive Leftists rather than actual liberals--most people in the US are at least liberals in the sense of being classical liberals) in the US it totally explains why Republicans and Independents voted the way they did in the poll.

What are the characteristics and policies of the regressive leftists? Sorry, not aware of them due to the fact I am a foreigner. Never heard of such a thing in my own country.
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(08-04-2016, 12:49 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 11:31 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 09:05 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 02:54 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I can think of one person who posts here that is "too easily offended."

Easily offended or notices you consistently do not consider other people's feelings hmm?

Obviously isn't me.  I'd have to consider Eric's opinions worthy of consideration first before I could possibly be offended by them.  That said he has no consideration for the feelings of others or for their thoughts/values (which to me is far more important--feelings are ephemeral).

Then again Eric is a solipsist.

That being said I think the problem isn't what X-mox..fuck it Alphabet Soup...thinks it is.  I think most Americans who answered the poll are offended by the perpetually offended.  That these perpetually offended folks primarily live on what passes for a left (meaning Regressive Leftists rather than actual liberals--most people in the US are at least liberals in the sense of being classical liberals) in the US it totally explains why Republicans and Independents voted the way they did in the poll.

What are the characteristics and policies of the regressive leftists? Sorry, not aware of them due to the fact I am a foreigner. Never heard of such a thing in my own country.

It's just Kinser's term for progressives. I'm pretty sure you have politicians like that in New Zealand?
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(08-04-2016, 01:37 AM)MillsT_98 Wrote:
(08-04-2016, 12:49 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 11:31 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 09:05 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 02:54 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I can think of one person who posts here that is "too easily offended."

Easily offended or notices you consistently do not consider other people's feelings hmm?

Obviously isn't me.  I'd have to consider Eric's opinions worthy of consideration first before I could possibly be offended by them.  That said he has no consideration for the feelings of others or for their thoughts/values (which to me is far more important--feelings are ephemeral).

Then again Eric is a solipsist.

That being said I think the problem isn't what X-mox..fuck it Alphabet Soup...thinks it is.  I think most Americans who answered the poll are offended by the perpetually offended.  That these perpetually offended folks primarily live on what passes for a left (meaning Regressive Leftists rather than actual liberals--most people in the US are at least liberals in the sense of being classical liberals) in the US it totally explains why Republicans and Independents voted the way they did in the poll.

What are the characteristics and policies of the regressive leftists? Sorry, not aware of them due to the fact I am a foreigner. Never heard of such a thing in my own country.

It's just Kinser's term for progressives. I'm pretty sure you have politicians like that in New Zealand?
oh ok. Yes we have the green party and labour. Although it is more of a mixed bag here and not as tribal and extreme compared to American parties.
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(08-04-2016, 12:49 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 11:31 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 09:05 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 02:54 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I can think of one person who posts here that is "too easily offended."

Easily offended or notices you consistently do not consider other people's feelings hmm?

Obviously isn't me.  I'd have to consider Eric's opinions worthy of consideration first before I could possibly be offended by them.  That said he has no consideration for the feelings of others or for their thoughts/values (which to me is far more important--feelings are ephemeral).

Then again Eric is a solipsist.

That being said I think the problem isn't what X-mox..fuck it Alphabet Soup...thinks it is.  I think most Americans who answered the poll are offended by the perpetually offended.  That these perpetually offended folks primarily live on what passes for a left (meaning Regressive Leftists rather than actual liberals--most people in the US are at least liberals in the sense of being classical liberals) in the US it totally explains why Republicans and Independents voted the way they did in the poll.

What are the characteristics and policies of the regressive leftists? Sorry, not aware of them due to the fact I am a foreigner. Never heard of such a thing in my own country.

"Regressive Leftist" is a far-right buzzword meaning anyone who gives a shit about folks who are not white men.
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(08-04-2016, 07:15 AM)Odin Wrote:
(08-04-2016, 12:49 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 11:31 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 09:05 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 02:54 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I can think of one person who posts here that is "too easily offended."

Easily offended or notices you consistently do not consider other people's feelings hmm?

Obviously isn't me.  I'd have to consider Eric's opinions worthy of consideration first before I could possibly be offended by them.  That said he has no consideration for the feelings of others or for their thoughts/values (which to me is far more important--feelings are ephemeral).

Then again Eric is a solipsist.

That being said I think the problem isn't what X-mox..fuck it Alphabet Soup...thinks it is.  I think most Americans who answered the poll are offended by the perpetually offended.  That these perpetually offended folks primarily live on what passes for a left (meaning Regressive Leftists rather than actual liberals--most people in the US are at least liberals in the sense of being classical liberals) in the US it totally explains why Republicans and Independents voted the way they did in the poll.

What are the characteristics and policies of the regressive leftists? Sorry, not aware of them due to the fact I am a foreigner. Never heard of such a thing in my own country.

"Regressive Leftist" is a far-right buzzword meaning anyone who gives a shit about folks who are not white men.

Hmm ok interesting perspectives on what it means. I wonder what others think and reasons why they think that way.
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(08-04-2016, 12:49 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 11:31 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 09:05 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 02:54 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I can think of one person who posts here that is "too easily offended."

Easily offended or notices you consistently do not consider other people's feelings hmm?

Obviously isn't me.  I'd have to consider Eric's opinions worthy of consideration first before I could possibly be offended by them.  That said he has no consideration for the feelings of others or for their thoughts/values (which to me is far more important--feelings are ephemeral).

Then again Eric is a solipsist.

That being said I think the problem isn't what X-mox..fuck it Alphabet Soup...thinks it is.  I think most Americans who answered the poll are offended by the perpetually offended.  That these perpetually offended folks primarily live on what passes for a left (meaning Regressive Leftists rather than actual liberals--most people in the US are at least liberals in the sense of being classical liberals) in the US it totally explains why Republicans and Independents voted the way they did in the poll.

What are the characteristics and policies of the regressive leftists? Sorry, not aware of them due to the fact I am a foreigner. Never heard of such a thing in my own country.





This video should explain the concept in a nutshell.  For the record the narator and owner of this Channel is Irish and not American.  While they are most virulent in the US and UK they exist in Ireland, Austraila and probably do in NZ.

That said, you can just look at Odin.  He is a quentessential Regressive Lefitst. Also it should be noted that the term was coined by Sam Harris who is hardly a conservative.

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It really is all mathematics.

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(08-04-2016, 08:50 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(08-04-2016, 12:49 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 11:31 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 09:05 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 02:54 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I can think of one person who posts here that is "too easily offended."

Easily offended or notices you consistently do not consider other people's feelings hmm?

Obviously isn't me.  I'd have to consider Eric's opinions worthy of consideration first before I could possibly be offended by them.  That said he has no consideration for the feelings of others or for their thoughts/values (which to me is far more important--feelings are ephemeral).

Then again Eric is a solipsist.

That being said I think the problem isn't what X-mox..fuck it Alphabet Soup...thinks it is.  I think most Americans who answered the poll are offended by the perpetually offended.  That these perpetually offended folks primarily live on what passes for a left (meaning Regressive Leftists rather than actual liberals--most people in the US are at least liberals in the sense of being classical liberals) in the US it totally explains why Republicans and Independents voted the way they did in the poll.

What are the characteristics and policies of the regressive leftists? Sorry, not aware of them due to the fact I am a foreigner. Never heard of such a thing in my own country.





This video should explain the concept in a nutshell.  For the record the narator and owner of this Channel is Irish and not American.  While they are most virulent in the US and UK they exist in Ireland, Austraila and probably do in NZ.

That said, you can just look at Odin.  He is a quentessential Regressive Lefitst.  Also it should be noted that the term was coined by Sam Harris who is hardly a conservative.

@Alphabet Soup

The horseshoe theory of politics is bullshit.

Ok i will check out the video. Thanks! Smile
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(08-04-2016, 08:50 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: That said, you can just look at Odin.  He is a quentessential Regressive Lefitst.  Also it should be noted that the term was coined by Sam Harris who is hardly a conservative.

@Alphabet Soup

The horseshoe theory of politics is bullshit.

Hmmm.... Rags supports assigning SJW's and radical feminists very high draft numbers so they can go be with their friends in the Mideast. Big Grin  That's 'cause we need to address past discrimination against folks who had/have 2 balls and a dick on their crotch. Cool
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(08-04-2016, 08:50 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(08-04-2016, 12:49 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 11:31 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 09:05 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 02:54 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I can think of one person who posts here that is "too easily offended."

Easily offended or notices you consistently do not consider other people's feelings hmm?

Obviously isn't me.  I'd have to consider Eric's opinions worthy of consideration first before I could possibly be offended by them.  That said he has no consideration for the feelings of others or for their thoughts/values (which to me is far more important--feelings are ephemeral).

Then again Eric is a solipsist.

That being said I think the problem isn't what X-mox..fuck it Alphabet Soup...thinks it is.  I think most Americans who answered the poll are offended by the perpetually offended.  That these perpetually offended folks primarily live on what passes for a left (meaning Regressive Leftists rather than actual liberals--most people in the US are at least liberals in the sense of being classical liberals) in the US it totally explains why Republicans and Independents voted the way they did in the poll.

What are the characteristics and policies of the regressive leftists? Sorry, not aware of them due to the fact I am a foreigner. Never heard of such a thing in my own country.





This video should explain the concept in a nutshell.  For the record the narator and owner of this Channel is Irish and not American.  While they are most virulent in the US and UK they exist in Ireland, Austraila and probably do in NZ.

That said, you can just look at Odin.  He is a quentessential Regressive Lefitst.  Also it should be noted that the term was coined by Sam Harris who is hardly a conservative.

@Alphabet Soup

The horseshoe theory of politics is bullshit.
Ah that was a very interesting video. Yes we have regressive leftists here in NZ. Banning drugs, attempting to ban cigarettes (smoke free campaign), making chipping your pets compulsory, forcing us to stop using our fires unless we upgrade our fireplace to allow "cleaner smoke" whatever the hell that is. Banning smacking a child. Forcing parents to watch their kids at all times till 16. Talk of banning alcohol. Of course some Americans probably think it is crazy it is illegal to carry a gun around with you depending where in America they come from. An American on the radio said he thinks NZ is draconian and he is going back to America. To Los Angeles.
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Thinking....yes i also heard they are trying to get equal amounts of women in traditionally male jobs here too. You know instead of just allowing the people who are most qualified for the job/allow for those who feel the equal opportunity is available go for the jobs. We have people talking about equal pay here. One guy was FIRED from his job for mentioning women take more time of because of periods and that is partly why women are paid less! It made people lose their minds and demand he be fired. Thinking about it....he is not wrong for at least some. Some really suffer from it. (shrug). I know I do and some get even worse symptoms. People have doubled the amount of refugees who come into the country. That would include Muslims. That does worry me culturally given statistics I have seen on belief systems. We have to protect what we fought for and they are letting more in, giving them a place to stay, a car and it is rather easy for them to get a job. Us kiwis do not have such privilege in our own country. I  struggle for everything. But they do it while not considering the belief systems they bring in. It does impact a country and with it, given time....it will impact our future culture. Even i can see that. It will impact us women too given the actual poor treatment their women go through.
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Regressive liberal and regressive leftist seems like different terms. A liberal is more moderately on the left than a leftist.

Of course the sentiments expressed in my favorite rock song are familiar to me; how the new boss can become like the old boss. The despotism of liberty; the dictatorship of the proletariat; well-known phenomenon in history.

I take offense at Taramarie taking offense at me, and the way she does it. But, MY taking offense is my problem.

5. Free speech must come with no caveat. I agree. Although I tend to think there is such a thing as a hate crime.

4. I am more "regressive" in his terms, which he exaggerates. His views on this item are typically conservative, ethno-centric, and deceptive. This is Clarence Thomas nonsense. I don't want any "ethnic cleansing" against my own race and gender, of course. That is just his exaggerated view of affirmative action. To deny that there are groups that have been oppressed and still need to have opportunities opened up, is just a right-wing point of view. A preview of his #1.

3. I don't engage in this one too much, although kinser might think that I do. But he is himself a good example of #3.

2. No, not me; regulations yes; but no bans unless by consensus. But I think there's good consensus for banning "smacking a child" if it hurts the child. Child abuse should not be allowed. Some behavior needs to be illegal; sure!

1. He exaggerates liberal views into a straw man in order to knock them. On the whole, yes, I am "regressive" in his terms, though again, not to the degree that he would label me as. On the whole, he is wrong on #1, and he's just another conservative denouncing liberal positions, not an "intellectual" and certainly not a liberal denouncing "regressive" liberal positions. No, he is the regressive. SJWs would certainly have much grounds for calling him a racist. Such labels are problematic. But "Multi-culturalism is ruining The West?" That is a truly regressive idea, because there ain't no "West" anymore, and it needs to go away anyway as a separate identity. We are one people on one planet, and need to learn from all "races," peoples and traditions and not try to build walls to block out the "reality" flooding in all around us. That's "reality." This guy is probably voting for Donald Trump. No "rational intellectual" he Smile
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(08-04-2016, 11:52 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Regressive liberal and regressive leftist seems like different terms. A liberal is more moderately on the left than a leftist.

Of course the sentiments expressed in my favorite rock song are familiar to me; how the new boss can become like the old boss. The despotism of liberty; the dictatorship of the proletariat; well-known phenomenon in history.

Taramarie is an authoritarian, because she feels entitled to determine for everyone who hurts whose feelings, and who is entitled to take offense over what.

5. Free speech must come with no caveat. I agree. Although I tend to think there is such a thing as a hate crime.

4. I am more "regressive" in his terms, which he exaggerates. His views on this item are typically conservative, ethno-centric, and deceptive. This is Clarence Thomas nonsense. I don't want any "ethnic cleansing" against my own race and gender, of course. That is just his exaggerated view of affirmative action. To deny that there are groups that have been oppressed and still need to have opportunities opened up, is just a right-wing point of view. A preview of his #1.

3. I don't engage in this one too much, although kinser might think that I do. But he is himself a good example of #3.

2. No, not me; regulations yes; but no bans unless by consensus.

1. He exaggerates liberal views into a straw man in order to knock them. On the whole, yes, I am "regressive" in his terms, though again, not to the degree that he would label me as. On the whole, he is wrong on #1, and he's just another conservative denouncing liberal positions, not an "intellectual" and certainly not a liberal denouncing "regressive" liberal positions. No, he is the regressive. SJWs would certainly have much grounds for calling him a racist. Such labels are problematic. But "Multi-culturalism is ruining The West?" That is a truly regressive idea, because there ain't no "West" anymore, and it needs to go away anyway as a separate identity. We are one people on one planet, and need to learn from all "races," peoples and traditions and not try to build walls to block out the "reality" flooding in all around us. That's "reality." This guy is probably voting for Donald Trump. No "rational intellectual" he Smile
You are not considerate of others Eric. That is what concerns me. You want to drink and smoke etc i do not care. You want to race around in a car or believe in magical unicorns i do not care although i will think you are stupid. But if you hurt other people, i do have a problem with that. It is bullying. I stand up to bullies because i was bullied. That is the difference between me and authoritarians. You can say whatever you want but crossing the line for me is to bully or be intolerant of different tastes in music or thinking groping is ok regardless of how another feels about being touched that way. Just a couple of examples. The problem between us is the insensitivity.
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(08-04-2016, 08:50 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: That said, you can just look at Odin.  He is a quintessential Regressive Leftist. Also it should be noted that the term was coined by Sam Harris who is hardly a conservative.

No, labels for people here don't fit. Knocking other posters here is not the purpose of this forum. Sam Harris though is certainly an atheist and a materialist, so he could be considered not too conscious of reality on that account. He's not dumb. But certainly I wouldn't trust any term that he coins.

Quote:The horseshoe theory of politics is bullshit.

As usual, the opposite from what kinser says is the truth. No, it's correct. Actually, it's a full circle, or a grid; adopted now by the many writers of the many online questionnaires we have shared here.
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(08-05-2016, 12:06 AM)taramarie Wrote: You are not considerate of others Eric. That is what concerns me. You want to drink and smoke etc i do not care. You want to race around in a car or believe in magical unicorns i do not care although i will think you are stupid. But if you hurt other people, i do have a problem with that. It is bullying. I stand up to bullies because i was bullied. That is the difference between me and authoritarians. You can say whatever you want but crossing the line for me is to bully or be intolerant of different tastes in music or thinking groping is ok regardless of how another feels about being touched that way. Just a couple of examples. The problem between us is the insensitivity.

There you go again. But note again you are so eager to criticize people, that you jump on me before I can have a chance to rephrase or reconsider my statement and edit it. How you manage to do that is amazing, but it just shows how fanatical you are about it.

I am not intolerant of different tastes in music. I have a different theory of aesthetics than the usual post-modern idea that you adopt in order to defend your own tastes, and I have opinions about which "music" is actually good music and which isn't, which should not offend anyone, but which others are free and entitled to disagree with.

But however you criticize me, you can depend on kinser to back you up! Smile
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(08-05-2016, 12:12 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(08-04-2016, 08:50 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: That said, you can just look at Odin.  He is a quintessential Regressive Leftist.  Also it should be noted that the term was coined by Sam Harris who is hardly a conservative.

No, labels for people here don't fit. Knocking other posters here is not the purpose of this forum. Sam Harris though is certainly an atheist and a materialist, so he could be considered not too conscious of reality on that account. He's not dumb. But certainly I wouldn't trust any term that he coins.

Quote:The horseshoe theory of politics is bullshit.

As usual, the opposite from what kinser says is the truth. No, it's correct. Actually, it's a full circle, or a grid; adopted now by the many writers of the many online questionnaires we have shared here.

Wait...you tell kinser to not label someone a quintessential regressive leftist, yet isn't labeling Sam Harris an atheist and materialist essentially labeling someone too?
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(08-03-2016, 10:11 AM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:
(08-03-2016, 12:52 AM)Dan Wrote: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/201...-offended/



Quote:[url=http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/20/in-political-correctness-debate-most-americans-think-too-many-people-are-easily-offended/#comments][/url]
At a time when the appropriateness of language has become a political issue, most Americans (59%) say “too many people are easily offended these days over the language that others use.” Fewer (39%) think “people need to be more careful about the language they use to avoid offending people with different backgrounds.”

A new national survey by Pew Research Center finds substantial partisan, racial and gender differences on this question...

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/201...-offended/

There is a big difference between outright offensive language and subtly hurtful exclusive language. I'm highly trained in this as part of my career. In order to effectively lead, one must use inclusive language or at worst, a neutral language that is not exclusive. This is one of the tools used to achieve high engagement. The alternative is disengagement which may range from not reaching full potential to outright working against the goals of the organization. There is an art to this. I realize many less developed people (who dominated the survey response) don't have a clue about this. That's why some of us lead and many follow.

Interesting point to consider.
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